Fast westernization with Ming

[TheMeInTeam]

Yeah sorry guys, I messed up. Completely missed TheMeInTeam post and thought toroltao was talking about indika_tates' post (mistook what was regarded as the second post). I posted this while in a pretty foul mood and while not trying to be rude it clearly leaked into the tone of the text.

Consider this an apology. TheMeInTeam had everything right in his first reply.

No biggie, I seem to get into harsh language mode when in those kinds of debates too. DIP 3 vs 2 discussion will be interesting though, I'm often not sold on which I'd rather do. Maybe now that the colony to seize is in Caribbean (and not arid with -growth at DIP 2 like it was in 1.7 seizing arid African stuff) you want to stay DIP 2 to start sooner, but DIP 3 does let you get more range for colonization on your own continent which you also want to do and now 1.9 is buffing colonizing tropical in general.

Colonies in the Americas will autocore.

Yes, but will you actually still be able to seize them? We've seen all kinds of stealth nerfs, buffs, and changes before. For example, look at -core cost from claims now.

 

[Seb19999]

Colonies in the Americas will autocore.

Thx

 

[durvas]

Another route is to attack Hejaz to get a foothold in the Middle East, since you can start from day 1. From there, you have several options:

- Hop through the alliance chains and the North African countries to Portugal's holdings
- Fight Qara Qoyunlu and the Caucuses (both religiously isolated) to release Armenia then core provinces up to Genoa's holdings, returning the province from Crimea if needed
- If you get QftNW, you can cut a path through the Mamluks to the Mediterranean then just attack a European country directly

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Chinese doesn't see middle east at start.

 

[kitemasaki]

Chinese doesn't see middle east at start.

I think he is referring to Hedjaz, which Ming does see as of 1.8. He might be talking about waiting for Hedjaz to have allies, that way they are 'revealed' when he goes to war with them..essentially turning all his generals into explorers.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I think he is referring to Hedjaz, which Ming does see as of 1.8. He might be talking about waiting for Hedjaz to have allies, that way they are 'revealed' when he goes to war with them..essentially turning all his generals into explorers.

oh haha. It would be amusing to see ming conquer through mamluks to berber and westernize. Not nearly as practical, but funny.

 

[kitemasaki]

oh haha. It would be amusing to see ming conquer through mamluks to berber and westernize. Not nearly as practical, but funny.

Its not as easy now as 1.8 or before though...you should check Ming out when you get a chance. I think the Pdox team is having some type of mid-design crisis about what to do with Ming. Its a bit whack right now.