Fascinating!!!

[GPounda]

So I thought I would save some men and use Vichy French troops as Garrison units 6x Cavalry +MP

Within 2 months all of France and the Low Countries were RED in resistance.

I swap them out for German Garrisons and within 2 weeks they were fading to Yellow and Green. . .

Personally I think that is a pretty cool game feature - that you can't use collaborators to police a capitulated state.

 

[CharlesV]

is this really a feature? that's pretty neat.

 

[Holdy]

I just tried that myself and I could not get the same result. I also highly doubt, that this would be a game feature.

 

[cunningstunts]

Is this legit? I haven't noticed it

 

[Gort11]

6 cavalry plus military police is not an efficient resistance-suppressing division.

 

[pdstanbridge]

Interesting, but I'm not sure that's how it works either. I have often used capitulated forces (so to speak) to garrison capitulated areas with great success. Unless it's a Vichy specific thing, it's more likely coincidence surely, or the fact that your garrison forces aren't strong enough. But that doesn't explain why it changes from Vichy to German...

 

[GPounda]

6 cavalry plus military police is not an efficient resistance-suppressing division.

It's never been a problem for me. . . 700 plus hours of game play.

 

[GPounda]

Interesting, but I'm not sure that's how it works either. I have often used capitulated forces (so to speak) to garrison capitulated areas with great success. Unless it's a Vichy specific thing, it's more likely coincidence surely, or the fact that your garrison forces aren't strong enough. But that doesn't explain why it changes from Vichy to German...

It was France specific. No problem with the Vichy units in Latvia or Romania, just France. . .

Swapped them for German Garrison units and the resistance subsided. . .

 

[smellymummy]

6 cavalry plus military police is not an efficient resistance-suppressing division.

that's just over 14 suppression isn't? it's a solid MP template I'd say.
As for vichy manpower not being able to suppress french partisans sounds like a bug

 

[Holdy]

that's just over 14 suppression isn't? it's a solid MP template I'd say.
As for vichy manpower not being able to suppress french partisans sounds like a bug

Congrats for your 2.000. Post. And I completly agree: it is a bug or your Vichy Divisions are missing equipment.

 

[Vieras]

6 cavalry plus military police is not an efficient resistance-suppressing division.

Not economically efficient but more than enough suppression for most provinces.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Not economically efficient but more than enough suppression for most provinces.

Hence the phrase "not efficient" used earlier. You ideally want to use the minimum IC required to suppress the province at the occupation law used, and not more.

In practice you wind up a bit more constrained by sanity (1 battalion spam is unpleasant) and the sometimes practical desire to double the suppressors as garrison in ports/victory points against future enemy invasion.

 

[Louella]

How peculiar. You mean Vichy divisions recruited as colonial divisions, right ? using Vichy manpower, but Reich equipment ?

Would certainly be interesting if true.

Unless it's a strange bug involving the resistance mechanic, and the multiple wars that might be occurring.

Germany vs Rest Of World, and the Vichy France vs Free France war. If they haven't merged, then maybe something weird is going on regarding how the game sees the Vichy divisions.

 

[Secret Master]

This sounds like a bug. I bet it's because Vichy units aren't being allowed to suppress French cores (since Vichy wouldn't get resistance in French cores).

Would you mind posting this in the bug forum?

 

[Gort11]

Not economically efficient but more than enough suppression for most provinces.

Yeah. However, single battalion cavalry divisions are a much more efficient suppression division- both in production and research - than divisions of six cavalry plus military police attachment.

Hence the phrase "not efficient" used earlier. You ideally want to use the minimum IC required to suppress the province at the occupation law used, and not more.

In practice you wind up a bit more constrained by sanity (1 battalion spam is unpleasant) and the sometimes practical desire to double the suppressors as garrison in ports/victory points against future enemy invasion.

This guy gets it. I don't particularly like that military police are pointless attachments when it comes to suppression, but I recognise the fact.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

This guy gets it. I don't particularly like that military police are pointless attachments when it comes to suppression, but I recognise the fact.

They're in an awkward place. They're effectively a width-less infantry battalion in support mode that is not at all cost effective for their stated purpose, but do benefit from the support boosters in superior firepower. So you would expect to see these more on 10 width marine landings and paradropper drop-nukes (small width with support arty/rocket arty/MP/etc stacked for big soft attack output). One of the comical tricks with paratroopers is to have these things build up planning bonus, quickly redeploy to an airport, then drop with still nearly max planning bonus into someone's face. With grand battleplan or superior firepower these hit really hard despite being made of tissue paper.