was going to post something but you pretty much summed it up already. imo they could have cut food as a resource altogether
Farmers shouldn't be more productive than miners and technicians
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was going to post something but you pretty much summed it up already. imo they could have cut food as a resource altogether
OMG if all base workers was producing base 6 resource.... the change would be real.
Currently there is a state of glass economy. You can live in balance, but if you get random pirates or build specialist facility too soon everything could shatter.
Since if you want alloys you need minerals, energy, you need pops for that but they use food and goods, but goods need more minerals more energy, more pops.
Currently there is a state of glass economy. You can live in balance, but if you get random pirates or build specialist facility too soon everything could shatter.
Since if you want alloys you need minerals, energy, you need pops for that but they use food and goods, but goods need more minerals more energy, more pops.
Suggestion 1: Add Photosynthesis Districts, which replaces agricultural district for Machine Empires and a fully sythetically ascended (both APs picked) empire. Photosynthesis Districts gives 2 standard technician jobs (or their ME counterpart). On planet transfer between empires that use Photosynthesis Districts and empires that use agricultural district, a special project that cost some engineering points to finish will be enabled to transform the legacy into something one can use. This should bring ME back on par with biological pops. For normal empires that uses robots... well, that's a more complex problem. I'm not certain how to cope with that.
Suggestion 2: Change food base price to 0.8.
Suggestion 2: Change food base price to 0.8.
If the problem is that food is worth more the easiest solution is a 33% decrease in value at the galactic market.
That way yes food production is 50% higher than the rest but it's worth 50% less.
I would not change the quantity though because as you said food is only produced on planet plus the margin is a bit lower in reality because farmers also consume food.
That way yes food production is 50% higher than the rest but it's worth 50% less.
I would not change the quantity though because as you said food is only produced on planet plus the margin is a bit lower in reality because farmers also consume food.
It doesn't really work for normal Empires, but Hive Minds can use low hab. planets as Hatcheries and just resettle Drones from those planets. One District (to get +POP growth building) isn't that punishing with low droid cost. Later, just terraform those planets and you're good to go.
I think it's kinda BS that metallurgists only produce 2 alloys per 6 minerals meaning you gotta pump out those alloy factories to sustain your fleets and starbases and it's gonna cost a ton of minerals. It's probably responsible for most instances of a tanking economy. This is kinda annoying since it limits the effectiveness of the production focus ethic. Putting it on militarized economy does quite a little to boost you.
Also the price for food balances itself so if you flood the market with food, it's value will also sink drastically. I've done that plenty of times!
Also the price for food balances itself so if you flood the market with food, it's value will also sink drastically. I've done that plenty of times!
I wonder if it's a mistake to consider food as strictly things that people eat. There's an enormous amount of organic industry in the world today and materials range from lumber to linen to medicine and even to fuel. Missing out on the organic element can leave people out of houses or prone to disease and the consequences are usually more severe than running out of ipads. As the future advances the reliance on organic materials will only grow because the idea of manufacturing an unlimited supply of resources is good business.
If the buyers and sellers on the market are rational, wouldn't the asymmetrical nature of food resource production get baked into the price naturally?
Robots are still fine for me as a little bit added growth with Machinist. So my bio pop grows at 6 plus 2.15 growth on some planets (early I might not have factory on all planets) for the robots. So I can use those robots (modded with +speed and -upkeep and -housing) strategically on lower hab/housing planets and also they are only a low percentage of my total pop which consist of my own pop plus lots of slaves.
Of course I agree that its bad if you go full robot.
Of course I agree that its bad if you go full robot.
What could help is adding like multi tier technologies with +10% effectivness of alloy, and civic goods production in similar manner as farmers have.
That way over the time there will be growing surplus of alloys/goods which could be used on more complex stuff.
Maybe there is a beauty that early on you need to struggle with everything.
But later in the game there need to more freedom to do interesting things like war or wonders.
That way over the time there will be growing surplus of alloys/goods which could be used on more complex stuff.
Maybe there is a beauty that early on you need to struggle with everything.
But later in the game there need to more freedom to do interesting things like war or wonders.
Definitely, but the market is not based upon supply&demand, but upon "fixed price that is modified by active transactions simulation supply&demand".
To be fair, it does things really well... unless the base price is off and the good isn't traded too much.
Pretty sure you couldn't do the 'mass produce food to sell at profit' if multiple player empires were doing it.
Who cares whether or not it's realistic? Stellaris is a highly abstracted game. I care about balance, lack of exploits, and interesting decision making.
Having said that, I'm not opposed to changing the base market price for buying and selling food as a means of addressing this problem. Given the issue raised by Peter Ebbesen, this might be the best solution for game balance.
I've thought hard about all this. If the design intention is that food should be plentiful and easy, then maybe are a couple of simple adjustments that won't disrupt other aspects of balance, but will make the economy marginally easier for machines in relative terms.
1) Lower market price for food since it is the cheapest commodity to produce.
2) Lower the base upkeep requirements for robots to somewhere between 0.60 and 0.75 energy per pop instead of 1 per pop.
1) Lower market price for food since it is the cheapest commodity to produce.
2) Lower the base upkeep requirements for robots to somewhere between 0.60 and 0.75 energy per pop instead of 1 per pop.