Far East

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Is the Far East(Nippon,China,etc.) going to be improved in EU2?China and Nippon DO NOT need to be improved because they already win to easily and same with korea.But Thailand(i forgot the name they use in IGC) and Dai Viet could use some improvement.They both start with no knowledge of any center of trade except the really poor Edo in Nippon.But I was thinking that they could start with knowledge of either New Dehli or Tianjin?Just something to think about.Also,are they going to add a Khmer(Cambodian) empire?





-Justin

 

[Cakravarti]

But it would be great if we got the oppurtunity to mordernise the RoTW nations. Which we will.

 

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What's ROTW mean?

(Rest Of The World - There is a sticky listing them in the FAQ Forum)_Uglyduck

 

[Mohe]

ROTW = Rest Of The World

 

[Alexander Seil]

Hmm, that idea of modernizing China gives me head ache every time i think about it Of course, it would be nice, but it is very easy to cross line beyond which every country becomes generic.

 

[ziggy]

I would love to have "playable" far eastern nations. That is, have them be as detailed as the European nations. But then you'd have to change the name of the game...
Anyway, I'll just stay here and keep dreaming about how id run Japan...

 

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Originally posted by proudirishmick
Is the Far East(Nippon,China,etc.) going to be improved in EU2?China and Nippon DO NOT need to be improved because they already win to easily and same with korea.But Thailand(i forgot the name they use in IGC) and Dai Viet could use some improvement.They both start with no knowledge of any center of trade except the really poor Edo in Nippon.But I was thinking that they could start with knowledge of either New Dehli or Tianjin?Just something to think about.Also,are they going to add a Khmer(Cambodian) empire?
-Justin

Who are you telling this to? To Paradox?

Then your suggestion is misplaced. Paradox did not make the IGC. So don't blame them about what goes on in the IGC.

Paradox only made the original EU game. And if you play the original EU grand campaign as designed by Paradox, then you would realize that the Far Eastern countries are not "too strong" as you say.

If you feel that the Far Eastern countries are too strong, then complain to the makers of the IGC scenario.

And yes, I do somewhat agree with you. In the IGC those countries are way too strong. Their economies are far greater than most of the Europeans. And they usually can build mighty fortresses way before any Europeans can. This is an unhistorical imbalance

 

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I know Paradox didnt make the IGC but I wasnt complaining about IGC.I was really complaining that Japan and China aren't strong enough in the real EU(without IGC).

 

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Also,it is not unhistorical that China has better economics then the European countries because China was very advanced during medieval times.They did invent gunpowder but not as a weapon.they invented it to celebrate their festivals.

 

[Cakravarti]

Originally posted by Alexander Seil
Hmm, that idea of modernizing China gives me head ache every time i think about it Of course, it would be nice, but it is very easy to cross line beyond which every country becomes generic.

It wouldn't be generic if paradox modeled the modernization aspect of the game well enough. For example if they can realistically, to a certain degree, model the difference in problems between say the Chinese, compared to the French, would have faced had they tried to mordernize then I dont see why it would become generic.

 

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Do you speak Chinese Mandarin?I know Malaysian would be your native tongue but alot of Malaysians do speak Mandarin

 

[Alexander Seil]

Originally posted by Cakravarti


It wouldn't be generic if paradox modeled the modernization aspect of the game well enough. For example if they can realistically, to a certain degree, model the difference in problems between say the Chinese, compared to the French, would have faced had they tried to mordernize then I dont see why it would become generic.

"You're dreaming, general" I agree it would be nice then, but i don't believe EU is able to simulate such subtle differences, given that only things you can do about internal policiy is to slide your Dom. Policy sliders. Unless they crunch every drop of oil out of event engine, or have some mind-blowing feature we don't know of, there is no way they can simulate differences between problems China and France faced....

 

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what the hell are you talking about dude?

 

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Originally posted by proudirishmick
Do you speak Chinese Mandarin?I know Malaysian would be your native tongue but alot of Malaysians do speak Mandarin

I don't speak Malaysian or Mandarin, but I wish they would include the Majapahit Empire (aka Sri Vijaya empire) in the game.

of course, it would be great if they also added the Sultanate of Jolo (since one of my parents is from the Philippines), and the Jolo sultanate was one of the few rich kingdoms in the Philippine-Malaysian islands at the time of the Spanish arrival

Playing the Sultanate of Jolo would be fun, because history records show that they were rich and made plenty of money by supporting pirates

 

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I was asking Cakravarti if he spoke Mandarin because it says he is from Malaysia.Yes it would be awesome if they added a Philipine Empire because the Philipines is a very cool country and the girls are very hot(and cheap).I am European-American plus 5% Cherokee

 

[sunzoner]

Originally posted by proudirishmick
Also,it is not unhistorical that China has better economics then the European countries because China was very advanced during medieval times.They did invent gunpowder but not as a weapon.they invented it to celebrate their festivals.

Chinese cannon were used by the Mongols when they try to conquer the world. It spread to the Muslim who spread it to the Europeans.
When the Portugese reached China, they don't have a firearm advantage.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by sunzoner
Chinese cannon were used by the Mongols when they try to conquer the world. It spread to the Muslim who spread it to the Europeans.
When the Portugese reached China, they don't have a firearm advantage.

Actually, they did-the Chinese never got the hang of projectile rather than firework weapons, and by the time that the Portuguese reached China many of these weapons had fallen into disuse, either through lack of need or lack of training. Europeans had a firepower advantage until the nineteenth century, when western arms traders really got going.

 

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The Chinese inveneted gunpowder around the 1450's and the Europeans found the "reciepes" for it around the 1600's?

 

[Demetrios]

The Chinese first invented gunpowder in the Tenth Century, and Europeans were using it in the 1300s. Cannon saw their first use in Western Europe at the Battle of Crecy between the French and English in 1347 (the English had the cannon there, by the way, having seen the Muslims using them in Spain a few years before)

 

[Admiral Howe]

Huh?

Originally posted by proudirishmick
The Chinese inveneted gunpowder around the 1450's and the Europeans found the "reciepes" for it around the 1600's?

That would have made it difficult for there to be Turkish cannon at the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 (I think that's the date).