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ahhhh I see, okay, then I wonder what will be the new Granada sheild?
 
Actually i'd really prefer the capital not be moved (and the event to move the capital should have the choices reversed). Its not likely the government capital would have moved with the conquest of Toledo, perhaps the religious capital, however i doubt it would have remainsed so for long if Granada continued to expand. Just as the center of religious power shifted around in other areas, Iberia is no exception either.
 
Jinnai said:
Actually i'd really prefer the capital not be moved (and the event to move the capital should have the choices reversed). Its not likely the government capital would have moved with the conquest of Toledo, perhaps the religious capital, however i doubt it would have remainsed so for long if Granada continued to expand. Just as the center of religious power shifted around in other areas, Iberia is no exception either.

and open a COT in toledo with the conquest?
 
niceta said:
and open a COT in toledo with the conquest?
Actually there's a number of places a COT could have been relocated likely imo, all in southern iberia.

Toledo is certainly one possibility, but not the most likely. Grenada, Sevilla and Gibraltar are also likely contenders.
 
Jinnai said:
Actually i'd really prefer the capital not be moved (and the event to move the capital should have the choices reversed). Its not likely the government capital would have moved with the conquest of Toledo, perhaps the religious capital, however i doubt it would have remainsed so for long if Granada continued to expand. Just as the center of religious power shifted around in other areas, Iberia is no exception either.
I agree... and both your events and mine only moves christian capitals not the capital of Granada.
 
Then at least make a flag change for Granada, something that makes it shine out.
 
Calipah said:
Then at least make a flag change for Granada, something that makes it shine out.
If you could find a fitting historical flag, then I would agree. ;)
 
There is none...so it would haveto be made up. The only restrictions would be those pertaining to general sunni islam (no images of anything Allah could create, no blasphemous statements or some such) and as far as colors as follows:

From: Pan-Arab Colors
Origin of the Pan-Arab Colours

From the PASSIA home page:

Red
The Khawarij were the first Islamic group to emerge after the assassination of Caliph Uthman III, forming the first republican party in the early days of Islam. Their symbol was the red flag. Arab tribes who participated in the conquest of North Africa and Andalusia carried the red flag, which became the symbol of the Islamic rulers of Andalusia (756-1355).
In modern times, red symbolizes the Ashrafs [ie. Sharifians] of the Hijaz and the Hashemites, descendants of the Prophet.
Green: The Fatimid Dynasty (909-1171), North Africa
The Fatimid Dynasty was founded in Morocco by Abdullah Al-Mahdi, and went on rule all of North Africa. They took green as their color, to symbolize their allegiance to Ali, the Prophet's cousin, who was once wrapped in a green coverlet in place of the Prophet in order to thwart an assassination attempt.
White: The Umayyad Dynasty (661-750), Damascus
The Umayyads ruled for ninety years, taking white as their symbolic color as a reminder of the Prophet's first battle at Badr, and to distinguish themselves from the Abbasids, by using white, rather than black, as their color of mourning. Mu'awia Ibn Abi Sufian (661-750), founder of the Umayyad state, proclaimed himself Caliph of Jerusalem.
Black: The Prophet Mohammad (570-632)
In the seventh century, with the rise of Islam and subsequent liberation of Mecca, two flags - one white, one black - were carried. On the white flag was written, "There is no god but God (Allah) and Mohammad is the Prophet of God."
In pre-Islamic times, the black flag was a sign of revenge. It was the color of the headdress worn when leading troops into battle. Both black and white flags were placed in the mosque during Friday prayers.
The Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258), ruling from Baghdad, took black as a symbol of mourning for the assassination of relatives of the Prophet and in remembrance of the Battle of Karbala.

Quoted source: Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Evolution of the Arab Flag, Amman, February 1986
Thus i would go with red and maybe white.

Other things to condisider:
5 pointed stars are common, but a 7-pointed star (symbolising the seven fundamental verses of the first Surah of the Qu'ran) is acceptable.

The crescent which appears so often nowadays on islamic flags should probably not be used. The most widely held belief is that this was a symbol taken orginially by the Byzantium Empire and then later by the Ottoman Empire after it conquered it. Subsequent Islamic nations have used it since then.

However there are other theories, but the fact remains until 1453 no islamic nation used the cescent, and that would include the crescent and star combination.
Crescent
Evolution of Islamic Flags
 
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List of what needs to be done:
  1. Corodinate the existing events together so they are more seemless
  2. Create capital/tag moving events for Portugal and Spain/Castile to Brazil/Mexico respectively (as a last resort for them). This will help prevent an instant grandan empire for a likely human player (something very unhistorical) in the most ahistorical manner likely in such a fantasical world.
  3. Create 2 flags for Resurgant Granda and Caliphate of Granada, if not atleast one for the latter
  4. figure out a better historic placement for capital of castile/spain (it was agreed the placement was not the best in the AGC-EEP: Iberian Peninsula thread). It was also mainly placed there for the fact that toledo had gold. that was the only justifable reason given.
  5. some more events for granada if it survives
  6. some politcal tension events for granda especially if both Ottomans and Granada claim the title of Caliph
 
Ohh... and the reason why I delayed the posting of my events was that I intended to remove Castillian (Iberian) culture from the starting setup of Granada. Rather provinces should change culture to Berber like in the events I've posted above.
 
On those culture events, i'm not sure if that's the best way to do them. We have several ways to deal with culture spread including using the engine. In any case, there shouldn't be refugees in most of the areas except maybe Cordoba and Toledo, or atleast on that number. What could be done is some genocide events (which were not uncommon for chrisitans to use against muslims) to clear out some populations with a push toward narrowmindedness and/or different numbers of people fleeing depending upon how narrowminded Granada was.
 
The reason I used refugees were to reduce the value of conquered territory and increase the value of the provinces left in Portugal and Castil. Thereby increasing the difficulty of playing Granada.

EDIT: And to create a more "stabel" Iberian peninsula once Granada has taken their cores (by removing the cores of Portugal and Castil).
 
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Sute]{h said:
The reason I used refugees were to reduce the value of conquered territory and increase the value of the provinces left in Portugal and Castil. Thereby increasing the difficulty of playing Granada.

EDIT: And to create a more "stabel" Iberian peninsula once Granada has taken their cores (by removing the cores of Portugal and Castil).
Ok, but i would likely remove such cores when they move their capitals to NA or in some sort of fantasy treaty.

As to refugees, again i'd make that based on immeditate ownership or control (probably the former) and base the number on Granada's innovativeness and sefdom (more the latter, but a atleast 6 innovative before the numbers start going down should be needed(. I'm saying this because under a historical spain or portugal the peasant class would likely fare better, even the chrisitan peasant class as long as they don't feel too oppressed under Granadian rule.

I'd personally go with the following as an example (yes i know they are a lot of events, but all you'd need to do is change the ids...the rest is already done).
Code:
event = {
	id = 1
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		NOT = {	owned = { province = 441 data = GRA } }
		provincereligion = { province = 441 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		OR = {
			NOT = { domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 } }
			AND = {
				NOT = { domestic = { type = serfdom value = 2 } }
				domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 }
			}
		}
		NOT = { event = 2 }
		NOT = { event = 3 }
		NOT = { event = 4 }
		NOT = { event = 5 }
	}
	name = "Refugees flee north from Algarve"
	desc = "With the conquest of Algarve by the Sunni nation of Granada many refugees fled northward in hopes they could escape the Islamic rule."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them go"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -3000 }
		command = { type = heretic which = -1 }
		command = { type = provinceculture which = -1 value = berber }
		command = { type = trigger which = 7 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to stop them!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1200 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 8 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Slaughter those who flee!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -3000 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = heretic which = -1 }
		command = { type = provinceculture which = -1 value = berber }
		command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 2
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		NOT = {	owned = { province = 441 data = GRA } }
		provincereligion = { province = 441 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		domestic = { type = serfdom value = 2 }
		NOT = { domestic = { type = serfdom value = 4 } }
		domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 }
		NOT = { event = 1 }
		NOT = { event = 3 }
		NOT = { event = 4 }
		NOT = { event = 5 }
	}
	name = "Refugees flee north from Algarve"
	desc = "With the conquest of Algarve by the Sunni nation of Granada many refugees fled northward in hopes they could escape the Islamic rule."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them go"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -2500 }
		command = { type = heretic which = -1 }
		command = { type = provinceculture which = -1 value = berber }
		command = { type = trigger which = 9 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to stop them!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 10 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Slaughter those who flee!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -2500 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = heretic which = -1 }
		command = { type = provinceculture which = -1 value = berber }
		command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 3
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		NOT = {	owned = { province = 441 data = GRA } }
		provincereligion = { province = 441 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		domestic = { type = serfdom value = 4 }
		NOT = { domestic = { type = serfdom value = 6 } }
		domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 }
		NOT = { event = 1 }
		NOT = { event = 2 }
		NOT = { event = 4 }
		NOT = { event = 5 }
	}
	name = "Refugees flee north from Algarve"
	desc = "With the conquest of Algarve by the Sunni nation of Granada many refugees fled northward in hopes they could escape the Islamic rule."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them go"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -2000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 11 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to stop them!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -800 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 12 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Slaughter those who flee!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -2000 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 4
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		NOT = {	owned = { province = 441 data = GRA } }
		provincereligion = { province = 441 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		domestic = { type = serfdom value = 6 }
		NOT = { domestic = { type = serfdom value = 8 } }
		domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 }
		NOT = { event = 1 }
		NOT = { event = 2 }
		NOT = { event = 3 }
		NOT = { event = 5 }
	}
	name = "Refugees flee north from Algarve"
	desc = "With the conquest of Algarve by the Sunni nation of Granada many refugees fled northward in hopes they could escape the Islamic rule."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them go"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1500 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 13 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to stop them!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -600 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 14 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Slaughter those who flee!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1500 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 5
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		NOT = {	owned = { province = 441 data = GRA } }
		provincereligion = { province = 441 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		domestic = { type = serfdom value = 8 }
		domestic = { type = innovative value = 6 }
		NOT = { event = 1 }
		NOT = { event = 2 }
		NOT = { event = 3 }
		NOT = { event = 4 }
	}
	name = "Refugees flee north from Algarve"
	desc = "With the conquest of Algarve by the Sunni nation of Granada many refugees fled northward in hopes they could escape the Islamic rule."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them go"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 15 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to stop them!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -400 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 16 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Slaughter those who flee!"
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 6
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
		OR = {
			flag = Caliphate_Granada
			flag = Resurgant_Granada
		}
		provincereligion = { province = 442 data = sunni }
		NOT = { provinceculture = { prov = 442 data = berber } }
	}
	name = "Berber culture spreads to Algarve"
	desc = "As sunni religion spread to the Mauldi, so too did the berber sunni spread as well."
	action_a = {
		name = "Ok"
		command = { type = provinceculture which = -1 value = berber }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 7
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While some have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 2700 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1350 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -71 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 2700 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 8
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While many were stopped from fleeing my the Grandian government and others have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1080 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 540 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -33 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1080 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 9
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While some have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 2250 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1125 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -68 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 2250 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 10
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While many were stopped from fleeing my the Grandian government and others have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 900 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 540 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -27 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 900 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 11
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While some have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1800 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 900 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -54 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1800 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 12
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While many were stopped from fleeing my the Grandian government and others have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 720 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 540 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 810 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 13
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While some have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1350 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 675 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -51 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 1350 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 14
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While many were stopped from fleeing my the Grandian government and others have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 720 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 360 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -22 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 720 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 15
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While some have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 900 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 450 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -27 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 24 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 900 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 16
	random = no
	province = 441
	name = "Refugees from Algarve"
	desc = "Refugees arrive from the recently conquered province of Algarve by Granada. While many were stopped from fleeing my the Grandian government and others have died or gone into the countrysize, most have come into the city and now crowd the city of Tago straining its resoruces."
	action_a = {
		name = "Let them fend for themselves"
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 36 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 540 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Try to find places outside the city for them"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 270 }
		command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = 1 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Give them temporary support in hopes it doesn't disrupt the city"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -22 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 17 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = 540 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 17
	random = no
	province = 442
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			event = 1
			event = 2
			event = 3
			event = 4
			event = 5
		}
		owned = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		control = { province = 442 data = GRA }
		provincereligion = { province = 442 data = catholic }
		OR = {
			religion = sunni
			religion = shiite
		}
	}
	name = "Coverting the Maudli of Algarve"
	desc = "After Granada reconquered Algarve from the Catholic Iberians many fundimentalist Islamic clerics insisted that the Mauldi populace be forced to convert. However, other more moderate clerics insisted that such forceful conversions even if successful on the surface would likely not be followed by a majority of those who did and would cause widespread rebellions. As neither side was willing to find a compromise this inevitably led to tensions between the two factions."
	action_a = {
		name = "Side with the Fundimentalist Clerics"
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = heretic which = -1 }
		command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = population which = -1 value = -1000 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Side with the Moderate Clerics"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 1 value = 12 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
	}
}
 
Norrefeldt said:
If you have several options, the texts shouldn't end with . ! ? since it will display very oddly in the ledger.
Well sometimes, especially with ! and ? those can't be avoided and making sense is more important than how it will be displayed imo.
 
Jinnai said:
Well sometimes, especially with ! and ? those can't be avoided and making sense is more important than how it will be displayed imo.
Certainly so. This is not the case in texts such as "Try to stop them!" and "Slaughter those who flee!" which makes just as much sense without.
 
So any comments on the last set of events aside from gramatical bugs? Any suggestion which provinces should and shouldn't get similar events (if you like them of course)?
 
First, have you checked the Granadan events? Some like "Begin Andalusian Revival" are partly redundant.

Comments for the first set:

Event 1:
Description: They also controled Malaga and Almeria. It should not be Grenada, it cold be Granada or their arabic name, Gharnata. Waning means diminishing, by context I suppose you mean the opposite.
action_c: I guess you mean dirham, the arabic coin.

Event 3:
Description: Mozarabs were Christians living under Muslim domination. Once land was recovered by Christians they ceased to be Mozarabs and became regular Christians.

Event 4:
Province 439 is Toledo not Murcia. You must be aware that Toledo is the capital, so you need to annex Castile for this event to take place. I suggest 440 Extremadura in its place.

Event 11:
I might be wrong, but looks to me that ownership of Castilla and another Northern province by Castile will trigger this event, conditions that are not hard to meet.
Also since province 436 is Castilla and not Tago, the name of the event is wrong.
Furthermore, since this is a provincial event that can happen to anybody, who will be moving the capital and to which province?

Event 12:
The non existance of TUR before 1517 is a tough condition to meet indeed.

For the second set, I don't have any comments, except that the term in English should be Mulad (muwallad in arabic), with the plural Mulads.

EDIT: A note about confusing terms:

1. Christian terms:
-Mozarab is a Christian living under arab domination
-Mudejar is a Muslim living under Christian domination, comes from an arab word meaning domesticated
-Morisco is a person of Mudejar origen but converted to Christianity. Culturally (dressing, habits, foods) they were still islamized.

2. Arab terms:
-Mulad is a Christian living under arab domination. Is equivalent to Mozarab.

al-Andalus was very mixed racially and religiously. The main groups were, from upperclass to lowerclass:
-Arabs of Yemeni origen.
-Arabs of Sirian origen. They often fought against Yemenies, but joined them against Berbers.
-Sanhaja Berbers. Algerian camelriding nomads and kabilyan farmers.
-Zenata Berbers. Moroccan horseriders from the Atlas. Worst enemies of the Sanhaja, though they joined them to fight the arabs and Andalusians.
-Andalusians. Natives converted to Islam. Despised by all, but used as counterbalance in their fights.
-Jews.
-Slavs. Slaves of several origens, from Circassians to Christians from Leon.
-Negroes. Slaves used against the Slavs.
-Mulads or Muladi. Good for paying taxes and being oppressed.
 
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Fodoron said:
First, have you checked the Granadan events? Some like "Begin Andalusian Revival" are partly redundant.

Comments for the first set:

Event 1:
Description: They also controled Malaga and Almeria. It should not be Grenada, it cold be Granada or their arabic name, Gharnata. Waning means diminishing, by context I suppose you mean the opposite.
action_c: I guess you mean dirham, the arabic coin.
I was looking for one of the lower currency coins so perhaps that's better one.
Fodoron said:
Event 4:
Province 439 is Toledo not Murcia. You must be aware that Toledo is the capital, so you need to annex Castile for this event to take place. I suggest 440 Extremadura in its place.
As i said in my first post, Castile's province will be moved since its been agreed there's no real concrete justification for Toledo. The main reason given was the gold in the province which wasn't very good one. It just hasn't been implimented yet because AGCEEP is a sluggish machine at times.

Fodoron said:
Event 11:
I might be wrong, but looks to me that ownership of Castilla and another Northern province by Castile will trigger this event, conditions that are not hard to meet.
Also since province 436 is Castilla and not Tago, the name of the event is wrong.
Furthermore, since this is a provincial event that can happen to anybody, who will be moving the capital and to which province?
It cannot happen to anyone first off. It may be a province event, but it still must meet the trigger conditions which means it can only fire for spain or castile.

The province in question was the most likely point where the capital of spain was decided to be moved, but it can be easily changed.

As i said before right now i'm not concerned with gramatical errors. More with what the functions of the events, whether you think there's balanced (for a fantasy scenerio).
Fodoron said:
Event 12:
The non existance of TUR before 1517 is a tough condition to meet indeed.
Your reading it wrong, but you can be excused as this is one of the finer points of the EU2 engine. NOT is essentiall NOT and OR combined.
Fodoron said:
For the second set, I don't have any comments, except that the term in English should be Mulad (muwallad in arabic), with the plural Mulads.

EDIT: A note about confusing terms:

1. Christian terms:
-Mozarab is a Christian living under arab domination
-Mudejar is a Muslim living under Christian domination, comes from an arab word meaning domesticated
-Morisco is a person of Mudejar origen but converted to Christianity. Culturally (dressing, habits, foods) they were still islamized.

2. Arab terms:
-Mulad is a Christian living under arab domination. Is equivalent to Mozarab.

al-Andalus was very mixed racially and religiously. The main groups were, from upperclass to lowerclass:
-Arabs of Yemeni origen.
-Arabs of Sirian origen. They often fought against Yemenies, but joined them against Berbers.
-Sanhaja Berbers. Algerian camelriding nomads and kabilyan farmers.
-Zenata Berbers. Moroccan horseriders from the Atlas. Worst enemies of the Sanhaja, though they joined them to fight the arabs and Andalusians.
-Andalusians. Natives converted to Islam. Despised by all, but used as counterbalance in their fights.
-Jews.
-Slavs. Slaves of several origens, from Circassians to Christians from Leon.
-Negroes. Slaves used against the Slavs.
-Mulads or Muladi. Good for paying taxes and being oppressed.
I have never seen Andalusian used for iberian chritians under islamic rule, only for chrisitans who converted to islamic and are under islamic rule or the anscestors of those who did.