Fantasia Scenario Done

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Hi aesop,

I offer my services as an event writer...

I still don't understand much about all of the AI and Units and all of those game balancing issues ( Working on that... )... But I can write events...

That if Fed is willing to reopen my ( Lucrative ) contract that I have for Total War...

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Originally posted by Extro
Hi aesop,

I offer my services as an event writer...

I still don't understand much about all of the AI and Units and all of those game balancing issues ( Working on that... )... But I can write events...

That if Fed is willing to reopen my ( Lucrative ) contract that I have for Total War...

Extro

What? Is the work I'm giving you not keeping you busy enough?

*I cackle a hideous laugh as I snap my whip*

 

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Extro,

I'll do some research with regards to the 1920's to 1935 - ideas that prop into mind is the stock market crash event for the US and Europe, the internal struggles Germany and the SU had - White Russia, the League of Nations, German reparations, the discovery of radiowaves/telephone and its commercial applications (science boost- two discoveries in the electronics field whoever reaches a particular research first), Roosevelt's new deal plan ( increased infrastructure) Hoover Dam (increased ICs), Hitler's ill timed putsch, mein kampf, (lessens dissent?), Stalin's climb to power, assassination of Trotsky, boost for discovery of naval aviation, the abdication of the English throne (can't remember his name) -scandal-dissent?, gangland wars and prohibition in the US (increased dissent-corruption), lifting of prohibition (less dissent) and many others I can recall offhand -

I need to experiment with the research and cost levels - a good figure would be double ICs and length of time for research- and quadruple ICs and length of time for modern weapons - ICBMS, modern tanks, VTOL, later electronics, nuclear ships, etc

Nuclear research would probably be double in ICs and 3x in length. (it is the ultimate weapon!)

And then we can integrate existing events for Bolt's and Fed's mod from 1936 onwards but we have to write new ones after 1948 - whew! creation of Palestine, Isreal - Arab wars, cold war, Berlin blockade, Cuba crises, France's troubles in Algeria and Vietnam! Wow we are rewriting history here!, Korean War, Chang Kai Shek's fleeing to Taiwan - Red China- NATO- Warsaw pact - the partition of West and East Germany. The Beatles (lessened dissent?), Sputnik, the Space race (of all of these events are also premised whether Germany lost the war or not)
We can have make up events for Germany if it did well in WW2.
Armistice event for all the major powers in 1948 due to the discovery of the atom bomb. Along this line - if the US goes nuclear on Japan in WW2- this would also force an armistice and Germany agreeing to peace with some gains and losses in its conquests - Austria, Czech should still be integrated and portions of Poland. If Germany had made significant conquests into USSR- the independent republics spring up aligned to democracy.

We probably need forces OOB for the major countries in 1920.

Just some ideas I am throwing around.

Any comments? I also have to look at the events that Fed is emailing me.

 

[Procer]

Argentina was the 5th economic power in 1920, just for selling livestock and wheat (no kidding). There was a lot of potential there. Further its diplomacy in the 20's where aimed towards panamericanism and against US interventionism in latin america. Everything got screwed up after 1929 and specially during the 30's (world economic crisis + obsolet economic model + failed industrialization + increased dissent and corruption).

Argentina will be fun to play if this is reflected in the mod. Maybe i could help with events for south america, although i am honestly waiting for a HoI 1.03 as the base for the development of greater mods.

 

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Procer,

That would be great - the event writing for Argentina would be great and I myself would prefer to have the new patch but we can line these events up so we have less work come around the new patch-

Hopefully the editor would be fully functional by then.

If anyone else can chime in about their home country's history and significant events or are versed in a particular country's history?

The Philippines had a significant communist insurrection during the early 1950's -they were called the "HUKS" remnants of other Filipino fighting forces against Japan that were not acknowledged by the US. Economically, the Philippines industrial base, economic activity and resources in the 1950 and 1960's placed it as the premier country in Southeast asia. Graft and corruption, an insurgency problem, and gross mismanagement plunged this country into dire straights. That's why the US supported Marcos declaring martial law in 1972 - of course the US turned its back on him in 1986 due to the same abuses and when a popular bloodless "people revolution" forced him to flee to the US. There's a saying ( I think Nixon said this) "He's a bastard but he is our bastard".

The Phil had territorial rights to Borneo that caused friction with Malaysia in the 1960s.

What was also unfortunate is that this country was given pittance to rebuild as compared to Europe and Japan -so much for the Marshall Plan - even though the Phil continued active resistance and guerilla warfare - after MacArthur bungled the defense of the Phil by withdrawing the bulk of his forces into Bataan to form a shorter defense line wishfully thinking that he would be resupplied - did not happen! What happened was a death trap. No wonder that country was given immediate independence from being a US commonwealth country after the war.

The Phil was occupied by the US after it won the Spanish-American War - and it had to subdue the Phil's national government and troops in 1901 who fought alongside with the US against Spain. McKinley called it "benevolent assimilation".
Heck- I think he had the first idea of being the "borg".

 

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Aesop

Ok Here is the plan...

1 - I sell my wife to a rich arab sheik...
2 - I give my son to adoption...
3 - I quit my day job...
4 - I sell my house and get a 1 1/2 appartment...

Maybe then I could manage to do all that stuff...

This project is HUGE...

I think that, in order to do it right ( and it is feasable... ) we need a TEAM of COMMITED peoples...

1 - A research team that would fetch all historical events of the time period... maybe 1 researcher per continent... (NA,SA,Western Europe,Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle east, Asia, Southeast asia )

2 - Programmers to write the events... ( I think procer is willing to help here...)

3 - A person who knows the internal structure ( AI, Research etc...) of HOI really well ( e.g Fed, aesop ) to do all the game balancing...

4 - Project leader ( aesop ) to keep everyone pulling in the same direction ( After all it's your project )

5 - Testers to go through this monster over and over again...

6 - God...

This is feasable with the right people... given the time period of the scenario and the task ahead I doubt that only a few individual could get this done to a point where you could keep the player interest for such a long time. Would reducing the time period help?

I also suggest to wait until 1.03 before we start programming.
Research could begin anytime...

I commited ( kind of... ) myself to Fed for his Total War scenario and I think that his scenario is going in the right direction. I will continue to work on his scenario but I think I could squeeze a few hours here and there to work on this one as well...

This my 2 CAN pennies ( 1.26 c US )
( Remember... You asked my comments )

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No that quote belongs to Lyndon Johnson I believe concerning Vietnam's president.

 

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Extro,

Thanks for the support. I can take the research in Asia- Fed's project should be our priority at this time because it is already in existence and it can whup our arses!

Not - every single major event as the task would be gargantuan.
But perhaprs we can scale it down to 1920 to 1935 and then have Bolt's and Fed's events for 1936 to 1948 as a start.

We can then leisurely work later events if we want to expand this to cover 1948 to 1980. We already got 1936, 1939-1948 pat down. So I think this would be a good start.

War entry needs to be scaled down for the countries.

1) BTW, I think Fed would buy your wife since he is an Arab Sheik (I think )

2) And I would draw up your adoption papers for your son since I work for social services.

3) I can put you on unemployment (remember it's now 26 weeks and Dubya's gonna give you an extra 3 grand)

4) You dont need a house, I got a tent in my backyard.

 

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Originally posted by aesop
Extro,

Thanks for the support. I can take the research in Asia- Fed's project should be our priority at this time because it is already in existence and it can whup our arses!

Not - every single major event as the task would be gargantuan.
But perhaprs we can scale it down to 1920 to 1935 and then have Bolt's and Fed's events for 1936 to 1948 as a start.

We can then leisurely work later events if we want to expand this to cover 1948 to 1980. We already got 1936, 1939-1948 pat down. So I think this would be a good start.

Agree to all of this... One bite at the time...

BTW: No Sheik ( Fed Included ) would ever have enough money to buy my wife and son... ( My wife read my mails over my shoulder sometimes... )

About my quote...

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/wildehumor2_html.htm

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Install instructions

Okay... I've got the time extender thingy.. as well as the zip for your scenario... but how am I supposed to install it?

 

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Back up your 1936 folder and extract the files to your scenario 1936 folder. Then extract the nuclear file to your DB/tech folder. make sure you back up your nuclear tech folder. Next, open your 1936 scenario and change the inc file starting date to 1920 and ending at 1980.

 

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Originally posted by Extro
BTW: No Sheik ( Fed Included ) would ever have enough money to buy my wife and son...
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You didn't read the small print in your contract to me:

Small print:

"Your first born and beautiful wife shall become mine upon completion of said work." hehe

See what happens when you write great events. Everyone wants you to work for them. And you write GREAT events. Just wait until everyone sees what you have done for Total War. . .

 

[kfoelsch]

Thank you for the install instructions, aesop.

I had an idea that I think you might want to consider.

There's some pretty hefty work on a WW1 scenario going on already. If you had been planning on starting in 1920, you might want to consider rolling the date back so that your module would be able to start immediately when WW1 ends. That would allow players to go all the way from WW1 to WW2 and beyond. Which would be insanely cool, of course

I don't know if Paradox designed the tech tree with any limitations on space, but if they didn't, I would imagine that what I am proposing should be possible.

What people have talked about doing here already is fairly ambitious, to say the least. However, I think that this slight extension could make the difference between a GREAT mod, and a PHENOMENAL mod.

The immediate post WW1 period was quite volatile, and I think it would be quite interesting to see how it could have turned out differently.

 

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Good suggestion but the The Great War mod is actualy giong to be a complete change of the tech tree to be in line with WWI techs - it would be great if we can do so - if we really want a real grand campaign - it would start off from where EU2 left off in 1820 - but we need to focus one one task at a time that's why 1920-1948 will first be done and then later expanded up to 1980 or even 2000. With a better editor and improved patches we can surely look at starting at 1820 since we do have our calvary sprites - OMG- this is like redoing the history of the world for the last 200 years!

Right now we'll just take baby steps- but this would be the most grandiose mod if we eventually shoot for 1820 - but as they say in start trek - you are liable to screw up the timeline and the future will not look as it is! You are in violation of the time directive!

 

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Originally posted by Procer
Argentina was the 5th economic power in 1920, just for selling livestock and wheat (no kidding). There was a lot of potential there. Further its diplomacy in the 20's where aimed towards panamericanism and against US interventionism in latin america. Everything got screwed up after 1929 and specially during the 30's (world economic crisis + obsolet economic model + failed industrialization + increased dissent and corruption).

Fortunately Peron came in and saved the situation.

 

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Originally posted by Bolt
Fortunately Peron came in and saved the situation.

Yeah, for a few years... Then he came the main reason of the political turmoils up to the 80's.

The thing is that Argentina made a lot of profits by remaining neutral until a few days before the end of WW2. That money was used to nationalize companies, to start a jet fighter project, to launch the nuclear program in Bariloche, and to update the armed forces. Not bad for just selling wheat and livestock... There was some boost in industrialization but not the more appropriate if we think about the future.

It is s shame that there's no wheat and livestock as resources in HoI. lol. Armies in the field and populations at war need to be feeded by someone, hehe.