You set your Civic to fanatical purifiers and everyone hates you with -1000...
but once you remove it, with 250 influence, they forget all about it.
but once you remove it, with 250 influence, they forget all about it.
Fanatical purifiers Civic makes no sense.
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So... What's the issue? Your government underwent a massive political revolution and rejected the genocidal policies of the past. Why shouldn't your neighbors approve of the new order?
The actual act of purging generates a totally separate genocide malus, which doesn't go away. So it's not like they actually forget your crimes.
The actual act of purging generates a totally separate genocide malus, which doesn't go away. So it's not like they actually forget your crimes.
Major revolution? It's just civic change, it's not even ethics change. Something like this should not be forgotten immediately. There should be something like opinion malus (like -50) that is being slowly (+2 per year) reduced.
Again, the malus from your actual crimes of purging still remain.
And your government totally changing its primary goal from "Let's destroy all xenos life" to "let's not" is a revolution.
And your government totally changing its primary goal from "Let's destroy all xenos life" to "let's not" is a revolution.
Still not convinced. Why would all your neighbors suddenly believe in this revolution? Because your diplomats said so?
The thing is, if the fanatic purifiers have actually been fanatically purifying, they will have a massive opinion malus with everyone due to purging anyway. The only time it doesn't matter is if they haven't committed any atrocities yet.
So sure, they had a government which urged the violent eradication of all other sentient life, but if they didn't actually manage to do anything about it and confined their evil ways to merely being super rude to anyone who called them up, what's the point in holding a grudge? Realistically, shouldn't everyone kind of be breathing a sigh of relief that even if the new government isn't saintly, at least they aren't just ranting about cleansing you with atomic fire.
And yeah, there is an opinion malus from being xenophobe, so it's not like everyone is actually going to trust you anyway unless you also take pains to change your whole society.
Still not convinced. Why would all your neighbors suddenly believe in this revolution? Because your diplomats said so?
yes because you are suddenly like, accepting embassies and sending out diplomats.
Do the penalties for the actual genocide also disappear? or is it just the -1000 to being a fanatical purifier?
If the penalties for actual genocide remain, then the system is fine. Your government talked a lot of nonsense about purging the xeno, but never did it (that her neighbors can prove).
If it removes the penalty from actually committing genocide, then yeah, it's an issue.
genocide malus will remain, just the -1000 fanatical purifiers goes away
- its kinda not, let me quote wiki: "A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.". No one rises up when you change your government form in stellaris, ever. In stellaris even the most freeminded people are always perfectly a OK with any government shifts. And when in a one day a Blood Queen Hitlerina will decide that she is bored with all those purges and proclaims that from today she will be now just an absolute autocrat of Arian Star Empire instead of a Blood Queen of an Arian Blood Court, it is definitely not a revolution.
- that Germany stopped to exist and became two very different Germanies instead, in stellaris it is called Liberation CB victim.
- its kinda not, let me quote wiki: "A revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.". No one rises up when you change your government form in stellaris, ever. In stellaris even the most freeminded people are always perfectly a OK with any government shifts. And when in a one day a Blood Queen Hitlerina will decide that she is bored with all those purges and proclaims that from today she will be now just an absolute autocrat of Arian Star Empire instead of a Blood Queen of an Arian Blood Court, it is definitely not a revolution.
- that Germany stopped to exist and became two very different Germanies instead, in stellaris it is called Liberation CB victim.
To be fair sometimes the definition is looser, see the industrial revolution.
Still not convinced. Why would all your neighbors suddenly believe in this revolution? Because your diplomats said so?
Because if you have been purging you still have the diplomatic fall out from that
If you haven't been purging then the regular diplomacy begins which is likely as a Xenophobe still bad but at least you are talking.
That you are talking to them is major step.
Still not convinced. Why would all your neighbors suddenly believe in this revolution? Because your diplomats said so?
The same reason why they hate you for being a fanatic purifier even if you actually just sit around by yourself with the civic active.