Fanatical purifier-no diplo even with same species? Why?

  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Areus

Recruit
108 Badges
Aug 6, 2015
6
0
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Semper Fi
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Steel Division: Normand 44 - Second Wave
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Tyranny - Tales from the Tiers
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Stellaris: Necroids
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
I was playing as a custom built Human empire with Fanatical purifier setting- fanatic xenophobe and militarist. Well, after playing for a while, I encountered with Commonwealth of men, another human Xenophobe empire. I thought I would be able to do diplomacy with them, since we share same government group, same species, and similar idea. However, I got -1000 opinion saying fanatocal purifier does not negotiate with xenos,when they are NOT xenos. Is it intended or a bug?
I remember seeing stuff that -1000 opinion is not given if two empires are of the same species.
 

Halblind

Sergeant
63 Badges
Jun 20, 2016
52
53
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Rome Gold
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • March of the Eagles
  • Magicka
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Darkest Hour
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Surviving Mars
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Cities: Skylines
  • War of the Roses
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV
Hi,

I think I've read that fanatic purifiers can't have diplomatic relations with anybody at the exception of an other fanatic purifier empire of the same specie. I guess even another xenophobic empire won't work if it is not a fanatic purifier. I also think that's a little bit weird. They could have a malus of relation for being "too extremist" but still be able to have diplomatic relations.
 

ramius3443

Byzantium First, Encyclical Second
99 Badges
Dec 20, 2012
1.081
3.947
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Surviving Mars
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Tyranny - Bastards Wound
  • Imperator: Rome - Magna Graecia
  • Cities: Skylines - Green Cities
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Prison Architect
  • Cities: Skylines - Campus
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Victoria 2
  • War of the Roses
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Pride of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
Here are the relevant quotes:
Fanatic Purifiers: Your empire will not tolerate the existance of any other sentient life. This Civic requires you to be Fanatic Xenophobe/Militarist and gives very large boosts to the effectiveness of your military and gives you Unity from purging Xeno Pops, but disables all diplomacy with other species and forces all Xeno Pops in your empire to be purged (though you get to choose the method of extermination). All other regular empires will also have a massive relations malus with you, the one and only exception being Fanatic Purifiers from the same species.
Two Fanatic Purifiers from the same species will actually have a huge relations boost with each other, though that will only ever really happen if the player makes it happen.
So long as they have the same portrait and name, they would see each other as the same species.


As per the last quote, they do not need the same traits. Just the same name, portrait, and burning desire to ruthlessly purge all the xenos from the Galaxy.