Fanatic Spiritualist / Militarist, first faction formed is always Militaristic..?

[Asuzu]

I believe this to be a bug.
Over 69% of pops follow Spiritualism.
I have Temple built for 5% more for Spiritualism.
I pick One Vision which should pull even more towards Spiritualism.
And yet the very fist faction formed is ALWAYS a Militaristic one, which is led by Ruler, and therefore starts pulling even more pops towards it.
No matter what I do to avoid this, e.g. resetting the game Alt-F4 and reloading, doesn't seem to work, it's always same faction, which means even RNG seed is not reset for it.

Is this a bug or an oversight in the code?

P.S. Enjoying the new 2.2 stuff immensely, really good work guys.

 

[Asuzu]

UPDATE:
So it seems the one and only way to get first faction led by Ruler as Spiritualistic is to edit save game, console the hell out all other pop ethos, and leave only Spiritualists in the empire.
Which is even more annoying if playing ironman, because need to remove ironman tags from inside the save first.

Devs please fix this, it is incredibly annoying to pick "Fanatical" ethos and NEVER to have your ethos form the initial, and most important, faction.

 

[metalosse]

Why does it matter THAT much?

 

[Omnipax]

Why does it matter THAT much?

First faction formed pulls more attraction towards that ethos (getting a head start until the other faction(s) form), and the Spiritualist faction drops approval if too few pops follow Spiritualist ethic.

Personally, I almost never see the 25% Spiritualist pops objective met, but I usually only dip one level into Spiritualist if at all. All the Temples in the galaxy don't seem to stop pops diverging into every other ethic instead. The late formation of the Spiritualist faction might explain some of what I see.

 

[Sinister2202]

Are you a fanatic spiritualist or fanatic militarist?

I'm having similar issues with my fanatic authoritarian/materialist play. I always seem to get materialist faction first, led by the ruler, and they end up attracting more Pops to it unless I do the promote by spending influence income on authoritarian faction.

So far I think militarist and materialist get priority. But don't take my word for it, I could be wrong. Fanatic egalitarian/Authoritarian + xenophobe/phile, egalitarian/auth. would get priority. Maybe it's those ethos that affect your government type names that get priority. Not sure.

 

[Asuzu]

Same problem, now playing Fanatic Materialist + Militarist
27 pops in total, 20 Materialists, 7 Militarists.
First faction formed... Militaristic. With a whooping total of SEVEN (7) militarist pops in the empire.
Led by ruler, this of course, screws up my pop happinness etc, because even though I am doing good on science, obviously I am not doing much fighting this early.

@Devs this really has to be looked into. There is a reason we pick Fanatical ethics, you know...

As of right now, getting rid of any undesirable factions is next to impossible unless you play slavers for gulag options.
Not to mention console fixing ofc, which is beyond annoying for Ironman.

 

[Asuzu]

UPDATE:
Tried playing Fanatic Xenophobes + Spiritualist
Same issue - first faction formed is Spiritualistic.
So, definitely a bug here it seems, picking lowest pop faction as first formed.

 

[Asuzu]

First faction formed pulls more attraction towards that ethos (getting a head start until the other faction(s) form), and the Spiritualist faction drops approval if too few pops follow Spiritualist ethic.

Personally, I almost never see the 25% Spiritualist pops objective met, but I usually only dip one level into Spiritualist if at all. All the Temples in the galaxy don't seem to stop pops diverging into every other ethic instead. The late formation of the Spiritualist faction might explain some of what I see.

Yes, the problem is it screws up global faction management on major level, because first faction, led by Ruler get additional pull.
Specially hurts Spiritualist, because of 25% requirement.
And as funny as it is, grabbing 50% etc additional pulls from One Vision and similar techs, increases the pull towards SECONDARY faction more, than the primary.
This is a mess, ever since 2.0 I believe.