Fallen empires are too weak.

[Zagreb 887]

Seriously these dues have been implied to have existed for thousands if not milions of years. Yet they have no traditions and no tech better then what you can get in 2300 with a tech rush besides there automation and ships. These guys should be scary. Legit scray. Having godlike abilities if they awaken as any civilization millions of yearts old would have. Like megastrcutures orders of magnitude bigger then what you would have, ringworlds, eucemenopoli, eucemenopoli ringworlds, tones of megastrucutres in general.

My ideas: Tones of damaged and partially working megastrucutres throughout FE space, repairing them would be there first priority whne awakening, including some megastrucutres that the player can only get via reverse engineering or via minor artifacts, but that would be made harder due to
:FEs now have enigmatic engineering, their tech cannot be reverse engineered normally unless you sink alot of research points into it or discover it independently via minor artifacts. To account for the fact that these buildings would be resources form nothing they would have 2 modes, 1 mode where they would add jobs and give you a metric tone of resources but take actual upkeep, and one where they give the same amount of resources as an FE with no jobs. Using automation excesivly may cause your empire to start to collapse due to decidence and eventually turn you into a younger fallen empire that is weaker then the actual fallen empires. Also they would take dark matter as upkeep. Also the fallen empires wont like that the younger races are using their tech and may take out some of their long forgotten, top secerate tech that you dont have to wipe the floor with you and if you are not careful you may destroy yourself with normal FE tech it(accidents and stuff)
FEs now have other cool ships besides their nomral ones with different roles, such as carriers, artillery, escorts, etc along with new dark amtter bsed weapons that could not be reverse enginnered except via event with a huge research cost and/or minor artifacts.
FEs now continue to research tech at a slowed pace due to decidence(they would have a modifier that granted -25% ship weapons damage, -75% resources from jobs, and -75% monthly resources, and -80% research speed before awkanening, yet they would still be able to soundly beat most early and midgame empires with these modifiers and even in endgame would probably require a coalition agianst them. They would start with ~ 1m fleet power each on normal settings). They also start with all traditions unlocked(beyond normal slot limit) several unique ascension perks

Xenophobic FEs, upon awakening can become the crisis via an event and have a chance of becoming fanatic purifiers via that same event(they wouldnt have menicing ships but stronger verisons of FE ships which would take a mix of minerals and alloys) If this happens every other fallen empire will quickly awaken, putting aside ancient rivalries and try to rally the galaxy around defeating the xenophobic FE. The xenophobic Fe in term will bring out some of that afformentioned long lost tech and will actively research new exclusive techs just for it and get several bonuses. If the xenophobic fe gets too strong after that the non xenophobic FEs will try to create a coalition of every non genocidal empire in the galaxy to defeat it. Keep in mind other crises and other crisis empires can happen alongside this and if a war in heaver starts before this they empires during the war will not try to beat the xenophobe FE and focus on eachother until they take over enough of the galaxy at which point a temporary truce will be signed and they will cooperate agianst them

FEs in general would have more unique character depending on ethics rather then feeling the exact same with different buildings and stuff.


Feel free to psot your own ideas int he comments.

If you want interesting FE/AE and some real endgame challenge and gameplay, you can use ACOT mods, it really flesh out FE from the boring vanilla

 

[Franton]

Seriously these dues have been implied to have existed for thousands if not milions of years. Yet they have no traditions and no tech better then what you can get in 2300 with a tech rush besides there automation and ships. These guys should be scary. Legit scray. Having godlike abilities if they awaken as any civilization millions of yearts old would have. Like megastrcutures orders of magnitude bigger then what you would have, ringworlds, eucemenopoli, eucemenopoli ringworlds, tones of megastrucutres in general.

My ideas: Tones of damaged and partially working megastrucutres throughout FE space, repairing them would be there first priority whne awakening, including some megastrucutres that the player can only get via reverse engineering or via minor artifacts, but that would be made harder due to
:FEs now have enigmatic engineering, their tech cannot be reverse engineered normally unless you sink alot of research points into it or discover it independently via minor artifacts. To account for the fact that these buildings would be resources form nothing they would have 2 modes, 1 mode where they would add jobs and give you a metric tone of resources but take actual upkeep, and one where they give the same amount of resources as an FE with no jobs. Using automation excesivly may cause your empire to start to collapse due to decidence and eventually turn you into a younger fallen empire that is weaker then the actual fallen empires. Also they would take dark matter as upkeep. Also the fallen empires wont like that the younger races are using their tech and may take out some of their long forgotten, top secerate tech that you dont have to wipe the floor with you and if you are not careful you may destroy yourself with normal FE tech it(accidents and stuff)
FEs now have other cool ships besides their nomral ones with different roles, such as carriers, artillery, escorts, etc along with new dark amtter bsed weapons that could not be reverse enginnered except via event with a huge research cost and/or minor artifacts.
FEs now continue to research tech at a slowed pace due to decidence(they would have a modifier that granted -25% ship weapons damage, -75% resources from jobs, and -75% monthly resources, and -80% research speed before awkanening, yet they would still be able to soundly beat most early and midgame empires with these modifiers and even in endgame would probably require a coalition agianst them. They would start with ~ 1m fleet power each on normal settings). They also start with all traditions unlocked(beyond normal slot limit) several unique ascension perks

Xenophobic FEs, upon awakening can become the crisis via an event and have a chance of becoming fanatic purifiers via that same event(they wouldnt have menicing ships but stronger verisons of FE ships which would take a mix of minerals and alloys) If this happens every other fallen empire will quickly awaken, putting aside ancient rivalries and try to rally the galaxy around defeating the xenophobic FE. The xenophobic Fe in term will bring out some of that afformentioned long lost tech and will actively research new exclusive techs just for it and get several bonuses. If the xenophobic fe gets too strong after that the non xenophobic FEs will try to create a coalition of every non genocidal empire in the galaxy to defeat it. Keep in mind other crises and other crisis empires can happen alongside this and if a war in heaver starts before this they empires during the war will not try to beat the xenophobe FE and focus on eachother until they take over enough of the galaxy at which point a temporary truce will be signed and they will cooperate agianst them

FEs in general would have more unique character depending on ethics rather then feeling the exact same with different buildings and stuff.


Feel free to psot your own ideas int he comments.

The only thing an FE would need to beat you death with is the listing of typos you made.

 

[RabbaDooDabba]

From my point of view it is the player empires who are evil too powerful, Fallen Empires are simply a victim of powerkreep.
2.2 made tech-focus too efficient and I have no idea how to balance it without forcing every playstyle into focusing every resource into more research.

Wishful thinking would turn Fallen Empires into sleeping giants a single empire could never hope to defeat and would only stand a chance late game and with several allies.

 

[Fenris_SE]

Yeah thinking about AE power I'm pretty sure they were more of a threat several updates/DLCs ago. As the game has updated they've been left with the same economic and military power.

Yeah, as it is now, they are just a loot pinata. You don't even have to win the war. If there is one close enough and my fleet is close to theirs in power, I will sometimes park my fleet right on the border and declare war, then jump in immediately even if I know I'll lose 90% of my fleet. After one battle declare status quo, then send the science ships in. 10 years later they don't stand a chance, not only are their fleets weaker, yours are bigger and now have their tech.

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

I had to rush my plans and do the last 2 projects to pop Galactic Nemesis so I'll be forced out of a defensive Total War with them (bug?). A colossus and 9 100K fleets isn't weak, it was 2328 too.
Ruined my plans, in panic I lost my vassals as they didn't get kicked out of the war and let a Star Eater get destroyed somehow and I got no truce so they declared another Total War on me. I wonder if the 2nd Infestation is going to survive this...

edit: and the Unbidden also invaded mid war right by the other FE and ate them. The galaxy is screwed.

 

[Colonizor48]

The only thing an FE would need to beat you death with is the listing of typos you made.

Sorry about that. I made this post when i was tired.

 

[Colonizor48]

I had to rush my plans and do the last 2 projects to pop Galactic Nemesis so I'll be forced out of a defensive Total War with them (bug?). A colossus and 9 100K fleets isn't weak, it was 2328 too.
Ruined my plans, in panic I lost my vassals as they didn't get kicked out of the war and let a Star Eater get destroyed somehow and I got no truce so they declared another Total War on me. I wonder if the 2nd Infestation is going to survive this...

edit: and the Unbidden also invaded mid war right by the other FE and ate them. The galaxy is screwed.

Dont become the crisis untill you are resonably sure you can defeat fallen empires if they awaken. But yeah that might have to be reworked but become the crisis is alrleadyv very op and needs a nerf(ik its not intended to be balanced but still you shouldnt be able to become the crisis and basically win the game by 2300)

 

[Scyobi_Empire]

Dont become the crisis untill you are resonably sure you can defeat fallen empires if they awaken. But yeah that might have to be reworked but become the crisis is alrleadyv very op and needs a nerf(ik its not intended to be balanced but still you shouldnt be able to become the crisis and basically win the game by 2300)

They War Decked me, I'm the defender here.

They didn't even want me as a satellite.