Facing a russia with high IC in 1941

[jackda]

to Hookah : well, with the vanilla version, I hardly see how the german player can have in 1941 450 IC, 100 fighters, 50 armor and 300 land divisions
even with central planning and the good ministers, I don't see how you can manage to have all of it at the same time

to jackda (or others : I have 2 questions
the first is : Moscow or Ukrainia ?
as the soviet has more than 350 factories, and has probably traded most of its ressources to build this, he should be vulnerable if the german takes the hundreds of energy and steel ressources in ukrainia. Moreover, Ukrainia is a good land for armor moves

the second is : we're in april, 1940, and our rule imposes peace between germany and USSR until at least 1st january, 1941. For the moment, we're cleaning north africa from british troops.
The german player has only 4pc chances to enter Nat. Spain in the alliance. Is it preferable to wait and try spain, but it should be long, or to DOW spain, and have a rush to Gibraltar ? (in this case, the problem shall be later, for italian, to defend spain and north africa at the same time)

1/IMO , PUPETISE Ukrania by late 41 is the best choice for german , before turn towards moscou . Not because of an eventual CCCP's lack of ressources (as a very cautious player i always keep a decent amount of rare and metal for my IC) but because Ukrania can feed Germany with a large amount of precious rare and prevent his TC to rise too much because of partisans activity.

2/In late 39 and before you are allied with Italy and before France falls you have 84% chance to ally Nat Spain (regarding you are at 200 relationship with it)

 

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Well since you can't attack in 1940 when SUs GDE is down by almost 50% germany will face an army that have almost the same quality as it's own. But I guess with usa as AI the allies can't make a good invasion of europe. I would place 3-4 divs on each beach in france and put them all on reserv which would make 3+3+3=9 div to defeat on almost each beach.

Wouldn't it allow a clever UK player to make fake landing to draw garrisons from neighbouring beaches?

 

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to Hookah : well, with the vanilla version, I hardly see how the german player can have in 1941 450 IC, 100 fighters, 50 armor and 300 land divisions
even with central planning and the good ministers, I don't see how you can manage to have all of it at the same time

to jackda (or others : I have 2 questions
the first is : Moscow or Ukrainia ?
as the soviet has more than 350 factories, and has probably traded most of its ressources to build this, he should be vulnerable if the german takes the hundreds of energy and steel ressources in ukrainia. Moreover, Ukrainia is a good land for armor moves

the second is : we're in april, 1940, and our rule imposes peace between germany and USSR until at least 1st january, 1941. For the moment, we're cleaning north africa from british troops.
The german player has only 4pc chances to enter Nat. Spain in the alliance. Is it preferable to wait and try spain, but it should be long, or to DOW spain, and have a rush to Gibraltar ? (in this case, the problem shall be later, for italian, to defend spain and north africa at the same time)

If you take Gibraltar and Suez, you don't have to defend mediterraen beaches (OTOH, you have land front in Africa)

 

[mouse707]

yes !

yes, that's wath we've done. In late 1940, we have taken both Suez and Gibraltar, the commonwealth has lost at least 60 div in the process, and there are remaining forces in arabia and south egypt, but even the italian alone can defend against them (UK has still a great air firepower, but it lacks air bases in the area)

now real things will begin in the forthcoming war against CCCP, who has 520 PP

thanks for your advices

 

[jackda]

yes, that's wath we've done. In late 1940, we have taken both Suez and Gibraltar, the commonwealth has lost at least 60 div in the process, and there are remaining forces in arabia and south egypt, but even the italian alone can defend against them (UK has still a great air firepower, but it lacks air bases in the area)

now real things will begin in the forthcoming war against CCCP, who has 520 PP

thanks for your advices

400 or 520 doesn't matter a lot as YOU MUST kill his units as fast as you can.
Only panzers can do the job , with GDE penality you should be able to make holes in his defence lines . You don't care about something else than KILL THE MAX UNITS AS POSSIBLE . Good luck

 

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Just a thought, that maby does´t mather in this game.. and i dont know this game that well but i know what rly happend.

Is´t it better to push against Leningrad then to Murmansk than take ukrainia. Cause did´t most of the supplies sent from the US go throw Murmansk then sent down with trains in a straight line to stalingrad? Is it so in the game to?

 

[mouse707]

re

I'm not sure that it works that way in the game, USA should still has the pacific windows to throw supplies (note that in that game, Us are played by AI).
Moreover this area has low infra, which could slow the panzers.

I think we shall try urkainia, which is also better to encircle and kill units (war shall begin next session)

 

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Its tough. But in 41' 42'. Those are so-so for germany and Russia.


The trick is manpower.

Manpower
Most human players dont do this, but you MUST clear all manpower techs by 1940 and different ministers assigned. With a little bit of luck and quick victories in Europe. Germany can have 1300 MP entering into 1941 and 150 Divisions ready on the east front.


Elites

Group your expierenced units together and distinguish them from others. I will usually have 30-40 good three star core veterans by 41. I leave a few in the west, give some to italy, and keep like 3 in berlin. These guys are the creme of your crop. Your Republican Guard or whatever you wanna coin them as, use them offensively or use them to stop a counter-offensive. Just Use them wisely.


Paratroops
Cut off 24 Soviet armies? Paratroops are so effective in the east its insane. You can cut off and elimate soviet armies with ease. Certain provinces are bottlenecked.

Encirclments
Light tank stacks/Mech advance REALLY fast and are fairly effective. Use them with heavier armored divisions but dont attack with them. After the battle move them so they arrive before the retreating force does.

Baltic Sea, Black Sea, Afghanistan and Finland

Nobody ever considers in but me. But building 12 trannies and having the ability to land 12 divisions Behind the soviet lines is an amazing thing.

Dont neglect finland. If they havent been puppetted or annexed, bring them in the war.

Black sea for romania allows quick naval incursions into Caucuasus. Tying down valuable soviet forces.


Afghanistan is an easy to make ally. There ability to run wild in the south should not be underestimated.






Well those are my points. Enjoy.










I have beaten 400IC SU players in 1941-42-43 and once fought a soviet player too stalemate in 49 due to a fortress belt on the oder. Although its tough either way.

 

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Everytime I play soviet versus aa human Germany i have too laugh. No matter What I do only one thing works to keep the germans away from moscow in September-October 1941. Riga-Smolensk-Tula Level 5 Fortification Belt, Stacked with 24 infantry a province German players get stupid and bleed to death taking it :rofl:


The South is difficult till spring 1942, but german players like to send there armor through forests in north (KngTigerII)

And as Soviet I usually will only have 250-300 Troops with lots of brigades. The supply/TC penaltys blow. Alot of it goes to air superiority. I have to have 40-50 Advanced fighters and 20 CAS bye 1941.