Fabricating Claims

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Does anyone else think this is weird?

If you send off your chancellor to invent a claim somewhere, why should you have to pay for it if you decide to not do it in the end? That just doesn't makes sense to me.

 

[Acularius]

Does anyone else think this is weird?

If you send off your chancellor to invent a claim somewhere, why should you have to pay for it if you decide to not do it in the end? That just doesn't makes sense to me.

It also cost the exact same not to do it, or at least that is what it was when I had it pop up.

 

[Captain Gars]

This is a known bug with the events that crept into a late version. It has already been fixed and should not have appeared in the demo. Unfortunately it did, but as I said it's already been fixed so no need to worry for the release version.

 

[unmerged(129932)]

That is great to hear, thank you.

 

[Acularius]

Like Wolfe said, that is awesome!

 

[Evil Sage]

Does anyone else think this is weird?

If you send off your chancellor to invent a claim somewhere, why should you have to pay for it if you decide to not do it in the end? That just doesn't makes sense to me.

You pay to press the claim because bribing people and forging documents costs money.

 

[louie97]

You pay to press the claim because bribing people and forging documents costs money.

It's a bug anyway, we won't have to worry about it for the real game.

 

[Ruwaard]

It's a bug anyway, we won't have to worry about it for the real game.

Isn't the bug that you even have to pay, when you decide not to press the claim?

 

[Wezqu]

Isn't the bug that you even have to pay, when you decide not to press the claim?

Yes...

 

[InnocentIII]

The normal alternative is to pick up Piety for not pressing the claim.

It makes sense to pay at the end. If you paid upfront you'd frequently pay for something you never got (e.g. Chancellor dies). If you never paid anything it would be overpowered. If you paid as time went by it'd be too complicated and frustrating when you go 15-20 years with nothing, and too OP when you got two claims in three years. It makes perfect sense in game terms and in historical terms: your Chancellor is contacting the necessary schemers, when enough of them are willing to be bribed you fork over the money, lose prestige for pressing what is widely known to be a false claim, and bam, CB.

 

[siis]

How are the costs calculated for pressing the claim? (i would like to know how much it will cost me befor I have to pay)

 

[Onedreamer]

even if you refuse to press the claim you should still pay. The choice comes up AFTER your chancellor has forged documents, so there has been an expense already.

 

[Captain Gars]

How are the costs calculated for pressing the claim? (i would like to know how much it will cost me befor I have to pay)

You pay more prestige for it the higher tier you have, i.e. a King will pay more than a Count. And the cost is based on income, so the richer you are the more you will pay.

even if you refuse to press the claim you should still pay. The choice comes up AFTER your chancellor has forged documents, so there has been an expense already.

Paying anyway wouldn't make any sense from a gameplay perspective.

 

[Slaxl]

Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but what can I do to increase chances of getting a claim? I've played dozens of games now, and only twice had a claim fabricated within that 20 year period. Is it supposed to be that hard or am I doing something wrong?

 

[Onedreamer]

Paying anyway wouldn't make any sense from a gameplay perspective.

saying no after you sent the chancellor to forge documents makes sense from a gameplay perspective? You could have changed idea because now it's not a good moment to ruin relations with the province owner, but in that case I think that paying anyways isn't really that absurd, all the contrary.

 

[Captain Gars]

Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but what can I do to increase chances of getting a claim? I've played dozens of games now, and only twice had a claim fabricated within that 20 year period. Is it supposed to be that hard or am I doing something wrong?

Getting a better Chancellor. The higehr his stats the better until he reaches 13, after that it does no longer have an impact on how fast it goes, but gives him a chance to fabricate a duchy claim. It is supposed to take several years to fabricate a claim, roughly around 8-10 years.

 

[Slaxl]

Getting a better Chancellor. The higehr his stats the better until he reaches 13, after that it does no longer have an impact on how fast it goes, but gives him a chance to fabricate a duchy claim. It is supposed to take several years to fabricate a claim, roughly around 8-10 years.

I see, thanks for the reply.

 

[Ruwaard]

saying no after you sent the chancellor to forge documents makes sense from a gameplay perspective? You could have changed idea because now it's not a good moment to ruin relations with the province owner, but in that case I think that paying anyways isn't really that absurd, all the contrary.

If you want to have certain sunk costs in, then at least make the option to actually press a claim more expensive, than not pressing a claim.

 

[Brownbeard]

Personally, I think fabricate claims should be a plot instead of a chancellor job, might be more realistic, and also dependent to interaction with other NPCs.
From demo perspective, its does not seem to be worth the effort. Its probably more worthwhile to play goodie-two-shoes and grease the Popes palms for an invasion CB, which turns out to be the ultimate expansion tool in the game.

 

[Maizel]

I think not pressing a claim should have a prestige penalty, as it might be seen as weak.

But the current cost seems a bit disproportional.