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What do you think about extending the map? As you know, in HoI2, there are no Antarctica, Northwest/east passage, only the southern part of Alaska is represented and so on. I think it would certainly add much flavour.
Only the Antarctica would be the problem, since i don't know that the engine can handle that a province does not belong to anyone.
What do you think about extending the map? As you know, in HoI2, there are no Antarctica, Northwest/east passage, only the southern part of Alaska is represented and so on. I think it would certainly add much flavour.
Only the Antarctica would be the problem, since i don't know that the engine can handle that a province does not belong to anyone.
Ithink those places didn't have much, if any, strategic importance in the era. Even explorers with specialized equipment had a hard time in the Antarctica, there's no (realistic) way a war could have been fought there.
As for sea lanes over the poles, I'm not sure. That would eventually force Paradox to implement seas freezing over at winter.
Seas freezing over at winter could be a neat addition though. The winter roads on Lake Ladoga that saved Leningrad comes to mind especially. And we could model random shipping losses from Icebergs exc in extreem northern waters.
Seas freezing over at winter could be a neat addition though. The winter roads on Lake Ladoga that saved Leningrad comes to mind especially. And we could model random shipping losses from Icebergs exc in extreem northern waters.
Frozen lake and Frozen Bering straight are two different animals thought! In addtion ladoga also operated in summer time, thus the correct in game idea would be to limit the effect of the encirclement if Ladoga is controlled by the soviet on the other side!
Frozen lake and Frozen Bering straight are two different animals thought! In addtion ladoga also operated in summer time, thus the correct in game idea would be to limit the effect of the encirclement if Ladoga is controlled by the soviet on the other side!
True we might need 3 different states of frozen seas:
1. Not at all.
2. Half frozen ( Ships at great risk but no land travel. )
3. Fully frozen ( No ships but land travel, divisions still on when it thaws lose 50% strenght )
True we might need 3 different states of frozen seas:
1. Not at all.
2. Half frozen ( Ships at great risk but no land travel. )
3. Fully frozen ( No ships but land travel, divisions still on when it thaws lose 50% strenght )
I can think off a few other contexts. Remeber that this game is fully possible to be played a-historically aswell.
Im sure alot of ships where lost in the arctic convoys during the lend lease. And Japan had a campain up in the islands around bering straight. It would limit travel around the northern parts of the Scandinavian peninusla during winter time, especially the important iron trade port of Narvik. Possible German Invasions of the US via Iceland and northern ports would be alot more risky as well as UK interventions in Northern Scandinavia. Any Soviet Fleet action during the finish winter war would be simulated better aswell.
I can think off a few other contexts. Remeber that this game is fully possible to be played a-historically aswell.
Im sure alot of ships where lost in the arctic convoys during the lend lease. And Japan had a campain up in the islands around bering straight. It would limit travel around the northern parts of the Scandinavian peninusla during winter time, especially the important iron trade port of Narvik. Possible German Invasions of the US via Iceland and northern ports would be alot more risky as well as UK interventions in Northern Scandinavia. Any Soviet Fleet action during the finish winter war would be simulated better aswell.
Yea but I do not think the techology would be there (unless the game goes into the 70th). These areas are bare and I doubt they would be able to support large army groups!
I'd say Antarctica STILL can't support large military formations! A Zero INF landmass isn't really condusive to military operations.
However, if there is more to the game than war (or at least the capability for more) as the new political model may indicate, things like national prestige (no, not quite like Victoria) could have some bearing. So being one of the few nations carving out Earth's last frontier may affect your reputation or something like that. I doubt it will be set up that way but i always think of this game in terms of modibility.
I'd say Antarctica STILL can't support large military formations! A Zero INF landmass isn't really condusive to military operations.
However, if there is more to the game than war (or at least the capability for more) as the new political model may indicate, things like national prestige (no, not quite like Victoria) could have some bearing. So being one of the few nations carving out Earth's last frontier may affect your reputation or something like that. I doubt it will be set up that way but i always think of this game in terms of modibility.
Frozen lake and Frozen Bering straight are two different animals thought! In addtion ladoga also operated in summer time, thus the correct in game idea would be to limit the effect of the encirclement if Ladoga is controlled by the soviet on the other side!
Leningrad is supplied either way in HOI 2, thanks to the incredible convoys running from White Sea or Black sea through Baltics... So unless this is changed, there is no point in including this in game.
Leningrad is supplied either way in HOI 2, thanks to the incredible convoys running from White Sea or Black sea through Baltics... So unless this is changed, there is no point in including this in game.
If they decide to make Antarctica afterall, it could be a province or more of them with zero infra, no landing beach and far away from any air base so you cannot airdrop there and voila... And owned by partisans...
True we might need 3 different states of frozen seas:
1. Not at all.
2. Half frozen ( Ships at great risk but no land travel. )
3. Fully frozen ( No ships but land travel, divisions still on when it thaws lose 50% strenght )
If they're standing on ice when the ice melts, it sounds appropriate.
On the topic:
The idea is good. Sure, it's not the most important thing to do, but I don't see I reason why it shouldn't be in the game - Antarctica and freezing seas/lakes/rivers. Especially rivers. Attacking over Volga on boats is a challenge of completely different scale than doing it when you can just march over.
About Antarctica and the North Pole region... The whole argument "It's not the most important thing for Paradox, they should do something else" is IMO a bit silly on principle, and way overused. Paradox has most of the time published raw, unfinished games that take a year atleast to be patched to what they were originally meant to be. However, should provinces be hardcoded like previously, leaving parts of Earth out of the game in the first place doesn't sound smart.
What if they want to publish a expansion at some point? Nuclear submarines that frequently sail under the northern ice aren't far from the current end date of '48. Someone wants to make a Modern Day Scenario? Antarctica is becoming important in the near future. Fantasy scenarios of the community?
Having the whole Blue Ball is well worth the tiny percentage of effort adding those few provinces steal from the whole project and the "more important things".
