Exploration mechanics

[Zwirbaum]

Isn't exploration doing/going in 'chunks' of sea/land? And as such - when you have colonial range to 'explore' at least part of it - it then allows you to explore 'entire chunk'? And the colonial range of coast may actually be counting the range to the nearest sea tile near that land chunk?

 

[rinehime]

Isn't exploration doing/going in 'chunks' of sea/land? And as such - when you have colonial range to 'explore' at least part of it - it then allows you to explore 'entire chunk'? And the colonial range of coast may actually be counting the range to the nearest sea tile near that land chunk?

Having range to "part of" the region doesn't let you explore all of it, only the part you have exploration range to. This is easily confirmed as you'll see the same region pop up in the exploration menu a couple of times as your range increases. If you explore it once, without enough range for all of it, it comes up again after your range increases.

Exploration range is definitely greater than colonial range and outside of supply range. I think you can still manually explore with fleets, you just run the risk of sinking due to attrition because it'll be outside of supply range. As for the coastal exploration missions, no idea if the range is different or not.

I bet a modder might know how the exploration range is calculated...

 

[gia257]

The 240 and 270 range in my example both far exceed supply range; in that example if you put a navy in the closest Brazillian sea zone and leave it there it will quickly take attrition and sink. I'm pretty sure it's just colonial range + something, but don't know the something (base supply range is what, 150? It's not just adding that from what I can tell either).

160 is colonial, 150 is supply ships, "naval range" is 160

supply ships used is distance rounded down

the center of a sea tile is the anchor point and it includes from-port to center of the first sea zone

a supply point can be created from a port with fleet basing rights or a vassal port, but that doesnt extend colonial range obv

 

[fabius]

It´s one of those things that are not explained terribly well in-game, might be due to the change they made to it... But well... It´s the logic behind it

Ha, yeah. I'm sure there're professions that have fewer good to know principles than EUIV

 

[Quaade]

Ha, yeah. I'm sure there're professions that have fewer good to know principles than EUIV

If you played for years, and regularly through patches... You should get a decent grasp of it at least... But also, asking on forum can also be quite helpful... Heck despite over 4k hrs into this sucker I still ask question to make sure how stuff works or engage in like of MeInTeam to get inspiration or other knowledge of playstyles that I´m otherwise less familiar with

 

[fabius]

If you played for years, and regularly through patches... You should get a decent grasp of it at least... But also, asking on forum can also be quite helpful... Heck despite over 4k hrs into this sucker I still ask question to make sure how stuff works or engage in like of MeInTeam to get inspiration or other knowledge of playstyles that I´m otherwise less familiar with

Yeah, it's a great forum.

Thing is I have breaks from EU, then come back and have to re-learn some stuff. Plus sometimes I play sales catch up on dlc as being a fan of EU, Hoi, and getting into CK can be pricey. And now Stellaris is itching my trigger finger too

 

[Quaade]

Thing is I have breaks from EU, then come back and have to re-learn some stuff. Plus sometimes I play sales catch up on dlc as being a fan of EU, Hoi, and getting into CK can be pricey. And now Stellaris is itching my trigger finger too

Stellaris is okay-ish great... Personally I think it´s the best 4x overall currently... But the next patch, I´m really looking forward to them despite not agreeing wholly on them... But know the feeling of having breaks from these games... Had it from CK2, didn´t play much on last patch in EU4...

 

[PhoenixG]

The ship supply range is tied to trade range. For most of the countries is stuck at 150 unless you pick trade.

 

[Badesumofu]

Just on 'Exploration range' - I've never seen it documented in terms of where it comes from or how to figure it out but pretty clearly it is colonial range plus a little more. I always seem to get new exploration missions available when I extend my colonial range either by completing a colony or getting a new tech/idea/advisor. I can always use those missions to find provinces that are out of my colonial range though.

One of many things in this game that is poorly documented. It makes it hard to keep track of what I know and how I know it and as a result I still sometimes end up with misunderstandings of how certain things work even after 1000 hours of playing the game.

 

[Badesumofu]

Isn't exploration doing/going in 'chunks' of sea/land? And as such - when you have colonial range to 'explore' at least part of it - it then allows you to explore 'entire chunk'? And the colonial range of coast may actually be counting the range to the nearest sea tile near that land chunk?

Well I generally will do the 'Explore Caribbean' mission early in my colonising effort. The mission re-appears after the first time I do it as my range extends, though. The second time you do it you uncover the bits you couldn't reach the first time. So unless the chunks are smaller than the areas addressed by each mission then this isn't it.

And again, I don't know for sure because it's not documented, but my experience lines up with TMIT's and I believe that is the answer.

 

[Amadeu of Savoy]

There are two "Explore Caribbearn" missions (not counting the coast missions), the region is probably two chunks.

 

[rinehime]

There are two "Explore Caribbearn" missions (not counting the coast missions), the region is probably two chunks.

You've seen two pop up at once, in addition to the coast one, for 3 total? That seems weird.... If they've popped up at different times it's because your colonial range has changed.

I've never seen behavior different from what Badesumofu and I described about - if you don't have the "exploration range" (however that's calculated....) to complete explore the region, you'll only explore what you can reach. When your range expands, the mission will pop up again and you can explore more. I've explored the same region up to 3-4 times before (due to small range changes from new colonies).
This happens for all exploration regions, not just the Caribbean.