Okay, I officially give up! 
I've written down everything before. It is now up to the others how they decide.
I've written down everything before. It is now up to the others how they decide.-
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For FlyingDutchie:
OK, thanks
For Dermaglen and Dutchemperor and Narmon:
Guys, I'm already sick of it. It's not the point to discuss whether A-H was federalized or centralized, tolerant or Holocausting... It's a thread to discuss renaming some provinces. Please, stop it.
OK, thanks
For Dermaglen and Dutchemperor and Narmon:
Guys, I'm already sick of it. It's not the point to discuss whether A-H was federalized or centralized, tolerant or Holocausting... It's a thread to discuss renaming some provinces. Please, stop it.
Modding Report - Part 1
Finally, I made myself to do something And now I can show you some screenshots of what I've done. Names changed (or revised) are underlined in red.
Baltic States: (edit - forgot to underline Vilnius which is also changed)
Poland and Bohemia:
Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia:
Turkey:
Sardinia, Corsica:
Finally, I made myself to do something
And now I can show you some screenshots of what I've done. Names changed (or revised) are underlined in red.Baltic States: (edit - forgot to underline Vilnius
which is also changed)
Poland and Bohemia:
Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia:
Turkey:
Sardinia, Corsica:
Modding Report - Part 2
Bavaria, Tyrolia, Austria, Slovenia:
North Caucasus:
Azov Sea Coast:
Lower Volga:
Upper Volga:
Bavaria, Tyrolia, Austria, Slovenia:
North Caucasus:
Azov Sea Coast:
Lower Volga:
Upper Volga:
Modding Report - Part 3
South Siberia:
Kola, Karelia:
Moscow Region:
Off the screenshots are Straßburg, Mühlhausen, Köln, Braunschweig, Kingston, Kuwait, Ostyako-Vogulsk, Perm, Kudymkar, Obdorsk, Nakhodka, Permskoye, Tikhonkaya and (maybe) some more.
Those HUGE LETTERS have disappeared (this is mostly because I don't know how to preserve them):
South Siberia:
Kola, Karelia:
Moscow Region:
Off the screenshots are Straßburg, Mühlhausen, Köln, Braunschweig, Kingston, Kuwait, Ostyako-Vogulsk, Perm, Kudymkar, Obdorsk, Nakhodka, Permskoye, Tikhonkaya and (maybe) some more.
Those HUGE LETTERS have disappeared (this is mostly because I don't know how to preserve them
):
For FlyingDutchie:
OK, thanks
For Dermaglen and Dutchemperor and Narmon:
Guys, I'm already sick of it. It's not the point to discuss whether A-H was federalized or centralized, tolerant or Holocausting... It's a thread to discuss renaming some provinces. Please, stop it.
well okay, i give it up. i will see what happens.
new cool but why is gulbene not changed? and not whole sudeten?
btw wich version of the map utility do you use? i also want to learn, i have already something but when i start the map maker it makes errors, and not a map.
St. Petersburg was 1914 renamed to Petrograd.
And a more turkish name for Consantinopel are Kostantiniyye
And a more turkish name for Consantinopel are Kostantiniyye
Great job Vax . If there was something as a Kaiserreich Order of Merit you would surely deserve it.
Hell, I hereby present you with the Grand Service to the Kaiserreich Mod Cookie *
Just a small question: did you change Stalinabad (Dushanbe, Kirovabad (Ganja), Frunze (Bishkek) and Semipalatinsk (Alash-Qala) too?
As for the whole Hungarian citynames debate. I feel both sides have presented their case more than enough, perhaps with more zeal then required. I will ask everyone to close the debate, unless someone actually has something new to add to it.
@ Thure: I asked Vax to change those names to their English ones, as those where the ones used most at that time. Basically for the same reason as Alexandria and Cairo aren't renamed al-Alexandriyya and al-Qahira.
. If there was something as a Kaiserreich Order of Merit you would surely deserve it.Hell, I hereby present you with the Grand Service to the Kaiserreich Mod Cookie *
Just a small question: did you change Stalinabad (Dushanbe, Kirovabad (Ganja), Frunze (Bishkek) and Semipalatinsk (Alash-Qala) too?
As for the whole Hungarian citynames debate. I feel both sides have presented their case more than enough, perhaps with more zeal then required. I will ask everyone to close the debate, unless someone actually has something new to add to it.
@ Thure: I asked Vax to change those names to their English ones, as those where the ones used most at that time. Basically for the same reason as Alexandria and Cairo aren't renamed al-Alexandriyya and al-Qahira.
Oke
But Petrograd was the official name in english and russian
Before 1914 it was St. Petersburg in russian and english, after 1914 in both the use Petrograd.
Hey guys, I really don't want to stir up trouble. This is the last post I'm going to make on this matter.
I see that Bromberg and Posen got German names. This is fine, as in Germany, these were the official names of these towns (and they lack English names). But at that very moment we are discussing Hungary you start arguing, talking about minorities (everywhere else ignored, not to mention that most of the cities never had minority names before WWI) and Austrian dominance. I have no problem with leaving the Hungarian cities' names as they are (ofc I'd like to see Hungarian names for Hungarian owned towns), but I'd really like to see an explanation why you are using this double standard. There is a REAL German dominance (represented as puppet status) over Flandern-Wallonien, yet no one is talking about renaming their towns. In contrary to Hungary, which is not a real puppet (as portrayed by the game 1937 Ausgleich, heck, even Ausgleich means egalisation), and its not on the same level of independence as Galizien, Bohemia or Bosnia (in the game: Austria and Hungary are the major players who decide what goes to who).
So if you don't like Hungarian language, and find it fuzzy (this i can absolutely understand), then just say its because of this, and I'll stop. I'll lose some illusions, though.
PS. I'm a native German, but I simply hate Double Standard. That's why I posted. Really sorry if I disturbed you...
many thanks,
yxc qwert
I see that Bromberg and Posen got German names. This is fine, as in Germany, these were the official names of these towns (and they lack English names). But at that very moment we are discussing Hungary you start arguing, talking about minorities (everywhere else ignored, not to mention that most of the cities never had minority names before WWI) and Austrian dominance. I have no problem with leaving the Hungarian cities' names as they are (ofc I'd like to see Hungarian names for Hungarian owned towns), but I'd really like to see an explanation why you are using this double standard. There is a REAL German dominance (represented as puppet status) over Flandern-Wallonien, yet no one is talking about renaming their towns. In contrary to Hungary, which is not a real puppet (as portrayed by the game 1937 Ausgleich, heck, even Ausgleich means egalisation), and its not on the same level of independence as Galizien, Bohemia or Bosnia (in the game: Austria and Hungary are the major players who decide what goes to who).
So if you don't like Hungarian language, and find it fuzzy (this i can absolutely understand), then just say its because of this, and I'll stop. I'll lose some illusions, though.
PS. I'm a native German, but I simply hate Double Standard. That's why I posted. Really sorry if I disturbed you...
many thanks,
yxc qwert
Oke
But Petrograd was the official name in english and russian
Before 1914 it was St. Petersburg in russian and english, after 1914 in both the use Petrograd.
but now they also use st petersburg, at least here. russia is a republic in kaiserreich so maybe they changed it back
Then Romanov-on-the-Murman call Murmansk
A republic who give the citys names of the ex-czar?
But it's not me mod. Do what you think is right
Oh, I simply forgot about Gulbene
And Sudeten, I've already fixed them. I'm still waiting for the final desision on Bohemia.Oh thank you good sir. I wll immediately place it on my desktop. No, my mantle! ©
Stalinabad etc. - yes I did.
What's with Sudeten and Bohemia?
ThanksThat's marvelous Vax. Great job
This is my PoW too. It means Slovakia and Transylvania should get Hungarian names. Hungarian "sphere of influence" within A-H - maybe too.
There's Komsomolsk-na-Amure in modern RussiaThen Romanov-on-the-Murman call Murmansk
A republic who give the citys names of the ex-czar?
And no more Komsomol for 20 years Yekaterinburg is center of Sverdlovsk Region (!) and SPb is center of Leningrad Region - everything is so mixed in Russia
No problem.
From Dermaglen new post I gather that the whole thing is anyway down to misunderstanding and his falsy employing of the term "Magyarised" for integrated populations, while it is only valid for assimilated ones.
As I already said: I support his position for Hungarian names in Hungarian owned territory, so I guess, at least in this Thread, we have a majority for these.
As I already said: I support his position for Hungarian names in Hungarian owned territory, so I guess, at least in this Thread, we have a majority for these.
As do I
Do you think this could be also useful for 1914 mod?
By the way, someone should really split Venice into Venice/Trieste or Venice/Trieste/Pola, otherwise it's just a punch in the eye...
By the way, someone should really split Venice into Venice/Trieste or Venice/Trieste/Pola, otherwise it's just a punch in the eye...
@ xcz qwert, narmon and others
Seems the discussion about German Poland, Sudeten and Hungary continues. Let me give the vision of the team on those matters.
We asked Vax to change Torun, Posen and Bydgoszcz to German because these area's had a very large German population, would have been Germanified after the War, lie in a country with one dominant language and culture and because the German names for these cities where better known than the Polish names before WW1.
We didn't change anything yet in Hungary, simply because we couldn't agree what the best approach would be. As Dermaglen stated, the Hungarian names would have been used without a doubt as official names by the Hungarians themselves. However, there are big differences between Hungary and the Polish provinces in Germany.
For one, the Poles would be a small minority in a Ging to German Reich, with the choice to either accept German dominance or moving to Poland. The minorities in Hungary where numerous, vocal and being given influence to a certain level. Slovenia can even become an independent state in the Mod, if Hungary chooses to do so. A Slovak develloper pointed out that the Slovakians themselves never used the Hungarian names. I think there is a good case for Magyarisation of the names and a good case against the Magyarisation of the names and have therefore asked Vax not to change these names before there would be a beginning of a consensus on this subject.
On Transsylvania: I think a mix of Romanian and Hungarian names would be best in this case. Especially since Craiova was annexed in the aftermath of the War in Kaiserreich canon, increasing the Romanian presence in Hungary.
As for the Sudeten, I guess a combination of Czech and German would be in order, since Bohemia is a Czech-dominated state now, but the Austrians would make sure that the German minority would be respected. I propose leaving Prague in English (the ambiguous choice), Kutna Hora in Czech and the actual Sudeten in German.
I hope everyone can keep the discussion friendly from now on. The discussion between Dermaglen and Dutchemperor went from an exchange of arguments for or against renaming to a heated discussion on the nature of Hungary's treatment of minorities.
Seems the discussion about German Poland, Sudeten and Hungary continues. Let me give the vision of the team on those matters.
We asked Vax to change Torun, Posen and Bydgoszcz to German because these area's had a very large German population, would have been Germanified after the War, lie in a country with one dominant language and culture and because the German names for these cities where better known than the Polish names before WW1.
We didn't change anything yet in Hungary, simply because we couldn't agree what the best approach would be. As Dermaglen stated, the Hungarian names would have been used without a doubt as official names by the Hungarians themselves. However, there are big differences between Hungary and the Polish provinces in Germany.
For one, the Poles would be a small minority in a Ging to German Reich, with the choice to either accept German dominance or moving to Poland. The minorities in Hungary where numerous, vocal and being given influence to a certain level. Slovenia can even become an independent state in the Mod, if Hungary chooses to do so. A Slovak develloper pointed out that the Slovakians themselves never used the Hungarian names. I think there is a good case for Magyarisation of the names and a good case against the Magyarisation of the names and have therefore asked Vax not to change these names before there would be a beginning of a consensus on this subject.
On Transsylvania: I think a mix of Romanian and Hungarian names would be best in this case. Especially since Craiova was annexed in the aftermath of the War in Kaiserreich canon, increasing the Romanian presence in Hungary.
As for the Sudeten, I guess a combination of Czech and German would be in order, since Bohemia is a Czech-dominated state now, but the Austrians would make sure that the German minority would be respected. I propose leaving Prague in English (the ambiguous choice), Kutna Hora in Czech and the actual Sudeten in German.
I hope everyone can keep the discussion friendly from now on. The discussion between Dermaglen and Dutchemperor went from an exchange of arguments for or against renaming to a heated discussion on the nature of Hungary's treatment of minorities.
I couldn't contain myself and changed Bratislava into Pressburg
Re: Bohemia - it means, Sudeten in German and everything else in Czech, right?
Re: Bohemia - it means, Sudeten in German and everything else in Czech, right?