Experienced map modder wanted!

[Dutchemperor]

My stance is still that I agree that Hungarian citynames would be the ones used within Hungary, but would they be the names used in foreign maps? Many cities (think of Moscow, Munich, Milan, Venice etc) have different names on the map than Russians, Germans or Italians would use because the English names are much better known than their original names.

i think those english names not have to change, if you change moscow in moskova i dont think everybody knows that it is moscow, that can be like it is now.

I think we should keep the names as they are until we have reached some kind of consensus over the naming of the cities. Note that the opinion of the devellopment team itself is also split on this matter.

just like on the forumo
maybe you have to vote? or is kaiserreich a dictatorship? Ein Mod, Ein Team, Ein Führer?

 

[erica]

How about the provinces of east Germany and Poland?

 

[Ovg]

No, because it is the other subject, apart from balkans, which spawns major flamewars.

And Poland should be Polish, because our national identity and culture survived despite our country disappearing for 123 years. Bydgostians (or you might know us as Brombergians due to how some overenthusiastic Germany fans like to call us) have never thought themselves German.

 

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How about the provinces of east Germany and Poland?

No, because it is the other subject, apart from balkans, which spawns major flamewars.

And Poland should be Polish, because our national identity and culture survived despite our country disappearing for 123 years. Bydgostians (or you might know us as Brombergians due to how some overenthusiastic Germany fans like to call us) have never thought themselves German.

We will change Torun, Poznan and Bydgoczcz (hope I spelled it right) to Thorn, Posen and Bromberg. We know those provinces where Polish in majority, but until 1945 the Polish names weren't used in the West. Until just a few years ago many maps displayed the former German names along with the Polish names where I live.
This is an extention of our rule to try and use the name that would be on an English map.

 

[Dutchemperor]

We will change Torun, Poznan and Bydgoczcz (hope I spelled it right) to Thorn, Posen and Bromberg. We know those provinces where Polish in majority, but until 1945 the Polish names weren't used in the West. Until just a few years ago many maps displayed the former German names along with the Polish names where I live.
This is an extention of our rule to try and use the name that would be on an English map.

i know because i also live there and yes that is true and i am sure that the english would use the german names if they were not polish. How about the baltic? is it going to be german? because baltic is independent (sort of, actually not, about the baltic info you get in the first baltic events) but always choose the germanise option, and the non german areas become not a national province.

this are the names in German:

That dagaupulis not exists, how do they get that name then? on google you only get some hoi2 stuff!

EDITaugavpils in German Dünaburg. they wrote it wrong so that is why it not exists.

No, because it is the other subject, apart from balkans, which spawns major flamewars.

And Poland should be Polish, because our national identity and culture survived despite our country disappearing for 123 years. Bydgostians (or you might know us as Brombergians due to how some overenthusiastic Germany fans like to call us) have never thought themselves German.

i cant find anything about the bydgostians, on google i get 2 results, 3 if i write the german name.

 

[Thure]

Dagaupulis?
I think this is a bad false. I think this mean Daugavpils! In German Dünaburg.
Bad false :rofl:

 

[Dutchemperor]

that is stupid

 

[Ovg]

i cant find anything about the bydgostians, on google i get 2 results, 3 if i write the german name.

It's just as an example . My city is called Bydgoszcz, it's not big or anything, but since I am kinda half pro on local history, I can safely talk about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bydgoszcz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Września check out the school strike info to see just about how much nationalistic we were throught the ages .

But if you are going for the "historical map" feel, then I say it's completely justified to call polish and other cities in german.

 

[Dutchemperor]

i read about germanification and so i think if that not stopped (what i dont think they did if they won ww1) bromberg would already be german.

and that is 1910 so i think in 1936 bromberg also will be german, so like the modders want, lets change it in bromberg.

 

[Ovg]

I have to disagree sir, we could have kept on opposing germanification. But since you want to have "Kaiserreich" feel, than I 100% support german names on the map.
Maybe in AOG, Flanders-Wallonien, other-german-puppets and German colonies across the globe too?

 

[erica]

I think that not only the names but also the border is important.

 

[Dutchemperor]

I have to disagree sir, we could have kept on opposing germanification. But since you want to have "Kaiserreich" feel, than I 100% support german names on the map.
Maybe in AOG, Flanders-Wallonien, other-german-puppets and German colonies across the globe too?

yes but are there german names for cities in africa? i dont think so. I think only the baltic and the area german has in the west (from former belgium) can be german. German would then be much more active in the world.

For belgium:
Liege = Lüttich
Arlon = Arel
Bastogne = Bastnach / Bastenach

and if you dont give the region back to flandern-walloon there should be an event to add those as core. just as for kolding and luxemburg, wich actually already has to got a core of germany but not has.


Answer to erica's post:
if memel changed to the normal memel there will be a very small concection to the baltic when it becomes german, then a new lithaunian province has to be made to make a better conection. like the siauliau province can also go to germany.

 

[Vaximillian]

And what about Bohemia? Do they retain Czech names or get German ones?

@ FlyingDutchie:

If you're not too busy please can you compil the full list of cities to be renamed, except of those on page 1? (those on which the dev team has already come to a consensus of course)

 

[Dutchemperor]

And what about Bohemia? Do they retain Czech names or get German ones?

@ FlyingDutchie:

If you're not too busy please can you compil the full list of cities to be renamed, except of those on page 1? (those on which the dev team has already come to a consensus of course)

sudety has also to be german , i asked here why it is not austrian but that is because it looks crazy on the map:rofl:, and that not a reason why they should use there czech names so they can be made german too.

 

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*A post about stuff from 2 pages back*

Hungary is a special case in ethnicites. Lots of people who called themselves Hungarian were not Hungarian by blood. It was due to the big tolerance towards other people.

First you say the Hungarian government activaly tried to Magyarnise everyone (which is the exact opposite of being tolerant) and know they're suddenly tolerant. Which is it?

Germans were strongly Magyarised, maybe as much as the Jews. Most of the citizens had German origins while other ethnic groups were mainly peasants. But some centuries later they became more and more Hungarian on their own without any pressure. They started to use Hungarian language and became Magyars.

If this would have been the case there wouldn't have been a majority of Germans in the area at all.
They didn't use genetic analysis of the people to figuere out their ethnic background from a few hundred years ago to make these maps. They just asked the people "Do you consider yourself German or Hungarian?"
That the majority in the Sopron region was German on these ethnic maps means the majority of people self-identified as German.
How can someone who self-identifies as German be Magyarised?

And why Bratislava should be Pressburg? It is near the Austrian border and mostly habited by Germans you are right but it is in Hungary and the population is highly assimilated. Look at the example of Sopron: more Germans than Hungarians but most of them wants to live in Hungary.

1. See above
2. Being German and being a German Nationalist are two things. Why should they want to separate from Hungary if they were never suppressed and the whole economy of the city is probably linked to the rest of Hungary?

Also the whole western part of the Sopron region voted to become of Austria, so apparently they couldn't have been Magyarised.
The other ethnic groups like Slovaks and Romanians were also very quick to leave Hungary behind.

edit: Although I agree with you about the city names. The official one is more important than what the inhabitants call the city, the mod also uses (or at least it has been agreed to change it to that) German names for Polish majority regions after all.

 

[Dermaglen]

*A post about stuff from 2 pages back*
First you say the Hungarian government activaly tried to Magyarnise everyone (which is the exact opposite of being tolerant) and know they're suddenly tolerant. Which is it?

You didn't understand what I wanted to tell you. It is more complicated thing to understand the ethnic things in Hungary it's not just like the modern nationalism. Most of the Germans that live in Hungary moved here centuries ago, mainly in the Middle Ages (knights, priests and manufacturers) and after the Habsburgs conquered back the territories occupied by Ottomans (for nearly 150 years) they were deployed here by the Habsburgs mainly to cities. They became Magyarised on their own: they lived there and it was easier for them to assimilate to Hungarian culture and use Hungarian language. Look at the generals of the 1848 revolution in Hungary. It is worth noting that not all of them were ethnic Hungarians (five Hungarians, four Germans, two Armenians, one Serb and one Croat). Four Germans fought against Austria in high position just because they were more loyal to Hungary than the Habsburgs or german people. Lot of nobles were not Hungarian but they became Hungarian in their souls no matter if they were Slovaks, Serbs, Germans, etc. And nobody cared that they are not Hungarian by blood. Everybody who was loyal to Hungary could get in high positions no matter where he was from. Armenians, Germans, Croats, Serbs, even Jews (if Hungary was not a tolerant country why more than half million jews fled there from Russia and Galizien? There were no pogroms and hate against anybody.)
The Magyarisation wasn't the thing that the post-Trianon states used or use even now. The minorities were allowed to use their own language in the bureaucracy (even if they had to do something with a Ministry they could write a letter in their own language), in schools, in buisness, etc. The Magyarisation meaned that the Government tried to teach everybody the Hungarian language and hoped that they will use it on their own. Of course lot of people resisted but lot of also agreed with this and they were more intolerant to their fellows than the Hungarians or their government. People became Hungarian without suppression just because they lived there and wanted to become Hungarian on their own.
The minority act in 1868 made by József Eötvös was one of the most liberal acts made by a government at that time. Later wasn't all parts of it used and that was because the idependent movement were mainly built up by Hungarian Nationalists and the government wanted to satisfy them to make them quite.

If this would have been the case there wouldn't have been a majority of Germans in the area at all.
They didn't use genetic analysis of the people to figuere out their ethnic background from a few hundred years ago to make these maps. They just asked the people "Do you consider yourself German or Hungarian?"
That the majority in the Sopron region was German on these ethnic maps means the majority of people self-identified as German.
How can someone who self-identifies as German be Magyarised?

Yes, they considered themselves as Germans but just by blood. In their souls they became Hungarians. You can say they were Germans just by ethnically. After the A-H Monarchy dissolved in 1918 lots of Germans remained in Hungary, for example the whole Hungarian military leadership in the Horthy-era was made up from Germans. They could choose to go Austria and serve there. Why not? Although they were ethnic Germans, they remained in Hungary to serve here. It was their real home, not Austria where they were strangers.

1. See above
2. Being German and being a German Nationalist are two things. Why should they want to separate from Hungary if they were never suppressed and the whole economy of the city is probably linked to the rest of Hungary?

Also the whole western part of the Sopron region voted to become of Austria, so apparently they couldn't have been Magyarised.
The other ethnic groups like Slovaks and Romanians were also very quick to leave Hungary behind.

2. Have you read the posts of Dutchemperor too or just mine? He said a thing like Pozsony is so near to the Austrian border that it can said it is a part of Austria.
3. There were no voting in West-Sopron region just in the city and some villages as there were no voting in the rest of the regions taken from Hungary. Mainly because the post-Trianon states feared that lot of people would vote for living in Hungary (mainly Hungarians and Germans but also some Slovaks and Romanians too). And I haven't said that most of the minorities liked Hungary because they wanted to be seperate or join their fellows in their own country but that was just because Nationalism ideas. I don't think you speak Hungarian but if there is a chance for you I recommend to you to read novels from Kálmán Mikszáth. He was born in nowadays Slovakia and at that time Slovaks and Hungarians lived peacfully together in one village. Hungary wasn't a state like Yugoslavia where the ethnic groups hated each other. The hate that countinued until nowadays was made by politicians and the very unfair Treaty of Trianon which made all ethnic groups in the Carpathian Basin to hate each other.

 

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@ Vax: I hope to give a complete list on names to change soon.

 

[Dutchemperor]

You didn't understand what I wanted to tell you. It is more complicated thing to understand the ethnic things in Hungary it's not just like the modern nationalism. Most of the Germans that live in Hungary moved here centuries ago, mainly in the Middle Ages (knights, priests and manufacturers) and after the Habsburgs conquered back the territories occupied by Ottomans (for nearly 150 years) they were deployed here by the Habsburgs mainly to cities. They became Magyarised on their own: they lived there and it was easier for them to assimilate to Hungarian culture and use Hungarian language. Look at the generals of the 1848 revolution in Hungary. It is worth noting that not all of them were ethnic Hungarians (five Hungarians, four Germans, two Armenians, one Serb and one Croat). Four Germans fought against Austria in high position just because they were more loyal to Hungary than the Habsburgs or german people. Lot of nobles were not Hungarian but they became Hungarian in their souls no matter if they were Slovaks, Serbs, Germans, etc. And nobody cared that they are not Hungarian by blood. Everybody who was loyal to Hungary could get in high positions no matter where he was from. Armenians, Germans, Croats, Serbs, even Jews (if Hungary was not a tolerant country why more than half million jews fled there from Russia and Galizien? There were no pogroms and hate against anybody.)
The Magyarisation wasn't the thing that the post-Trianon states used or use even now. The minorities were allowed to use their own language in the bureaucracy (even if they had to do something with a Ministry they could write a letter in their own language), in schools, in buisness, etc. The Magyarisation meaned that the Government tried to teach everybody the Hungarian language and hoped that they will use it on their own. Of course lot of people resisted but lot of also agreed with this and they were more intolerant to their fellows than the Hungarians or their government. People became Hungarian without suppression just because they lived there and wanted to become Hungarian on their own.
The minority act in 1868 made by József Eötvös was one of the most liberal acts made by a government at that time. Later wasn't all parts of it used and that was because the idependent movement were mainly built up by Hungarian Nationalists and the government wanted to satisfy them to make them quite.



Yes, they considered themselves as Germans but just by blood. In their souls they became Hungarians. You can say they were Germans just by ethnically. After the A-H Monarchy dissolved in 1918 lots of Germans remained in Hungary, for example the whole Hungarian military leadership in the Horthy-era was made up from Germans. They could choose to go Austria and serve there. Why not? Although they were ethnic Germans, they remained in Hungary to serve here. It was their real home, not Austria where they were strangers.



2. Have you read the posts of Dutchemperor too or just mine? He said a thing like Pozsony is so near to the Austrian border that it can said it is a part of Austria.
3. There were no voting in West-Sopron region just in the city and some villages as there were no voting in the rest of the regions taken from Hungary. Mainly because the post-Trianon states feared that lot of people would vote for living in Hungary (mainly Hungarians and Germans but also some Slovaks and Romanians too). And I haven't said that most of the minorities liked Hungary because they wanted to be seperate or join their fellows in their own country but that was just because Nationalism ideas. I don't think you speak Hungarian but if there is a chance for you I recommend to you to read novels from Kálmán Mikszáth. He was born in nowadays Slovakia and at that time Slovaks and Hungarians lived peacfully together in one village. Hungary wasn't a state like Yugoslavia where the ethnic groups hated each other. The hate that countinued until nowadays was made by politicians and the very unfair Treaty of Trianon which made all ethnic groups in the Carpathian Basin to hate each other.

why is hungary so absolustic, so nationalist? every ten years, also 1927, the ausgleich done, in 1927 they choosed that they (a-h) becomes a very federal state, even more then the US. why should everything there be nationalistic then? You cant have a democratic province in nazi germany or a right wing province in the ussr. you cant have an aboslustic part in a federal country. all your info comes from before ww1. do you know what all can be changedafter the war? maybe all hungarians became more left wing. more acceptation of the other ethnic groups in the empire moire then only german or hungarian, something what happend if you look to the map of kaiserreich, every big group got his own land not only the austrians and the hungarians.

and i have an old book from 1877 wich also has maps and also one of A-H, showing slavonia and siebenburgen not as part of hungary and it uses the german names in transylvania, actually if a city has a german name they use a the german name, so that was commenly used in west europe even when they became A-H. maybe ot in eatern europe but here the german name was used always when they talked about it (or dutch like kroonstad instead of kronstadt but wich means the same, crown and then city) i will make a pic of it tommorow, you see then it depends on what is commenly used and that are the german names and i am sure that if the dutch used the german names the english and of course the german them selves also would have used the german names. The german names were really official and and more used then the hungarian names, much more, especiaslly in the west, and the hoi2 map is a on the west inspired based map (moscow, warsaw, more english names?) and if the german names were used in english they should also be here on the map german because that is also english.

basic hungary stays hungarian, to my theory we also have to change pecs into funfkirchen but that goes even me too far, or the modders wants it, i is going to be like they want.

about the jews, histry only had to go different (the REAL history) and hungary would also have worked to kill the jews, and earlier this year the far right anti-semistic party in hungary did growed very big.



tommorow some pics!

 

[Dermaglen]

why is hungary so absolustic, so nationalist? every ten years, also 1927, the ausgleich done, in 1927 they choosed that they (a-h) becomes a very federal state, even more then the US. why should everything there be nationalistic then? You cant have a democratic province in nazi germany or a right wing province in the ussr. you cant have an aboslustic part in a federal country. all your info comes from before ww1. do you know what all can be changedafter the war? maybe all hungarians became more left wing. more acceptation of the other ethnic groups in the empire moire then only german or hungarian, something what happend if you look to the map of kaiserreich, every big group got his own land not only the austrians and the hungarians.

and i have an old book from 1877 wich also has maps and also one of A-H, showing slavonia and siebenburgen not as part of hungary and it uses the german names in transylvania, actually if a city has a german name they use a the german name, so that was commenly used in west europe even when they became A-H. maybe ot in eatern europe but here the german name was used always when they talked about it (or dutch like kroonstad instead of kronstadt but wich means the same, crown and then city) i will make a pic of it tommorow, you see then it depends on what is commenly used and that are the german names and i am sure that if the dutch used the german names the english and of course the german them selves also would have used the german names. The german names were really official and and more used then the hungarian names, much more, especiaslly in the west, and the hoi2 map is a on the west inspired based map (moscow, warsaw, more english names?) and if the german names were used in english they should also be here on the map german because that is also english.

basic hungary stays hungarian, to my theory we also have to change pecs into funfkirchen but that goes even me too far, or the modders wants it, i is going to be like they want.

about the jews, histry only had to go different (the REAL history) and hungary would also have worked to kill the jews, and earlier this year the far right anti-semistic party in hungary did growed very big.



tommorow some pics!

Do you read what I and the others write down? You write that shit again and again and I think without reading what I write. Do Germany has separate Nazi and Democratic city names? Hitlerstadt instead of Berlin or Göringburg instead of Munich? I don't think so.
Hungary and Austria are two separate parts and forms an equal union where the two nation have the same rights. Austria became more federalised just because they had a liberal government. Hungary has a separate Parliament, government and laws and has mostly nationalists in charge (the only difference in political parties that one is pro-Habsburg and the other wants independence. Yes, you are right, Slavonia is not a part of Hungary it is governed by Croatia because they received it earlier from Hungarian government. Transylvania is a part of Hungary now although it wasn't governed by Hungary from 1526 to 1867 and it always had a local noble in charge with qite big rights, it can say Transylvania wasn't part of the country so strong. But it is obviously Hungary.
About Jews: 750.000 Jews lived here and most of them moved there after the Ausgleich. In the WWII Hungary was the last bastion of the Jews and even more fled there to hide here. Although Hungary had strong relations with Germany they haven't declared war on Czechoslovakia (which Hitler wanted to do us to have a reason for interving) and even allowed to hundreds of thousands of Poles to flee to the country and later leave it through Yugoslavia. If Horthy and Hungary wouldn't be so tolerant and peaceful how do you think the Polish Legion could be formed in England and France? These two country made less for Poland than Hungary. Hungary wasn't deporting Jews until March 1944 when the country was occupied by German forces and the Hungarian government was forced to deport Jews to Germany. But when Horthy got known what happens in Auschwitz he ordered the Tank Division from Esztergom to Budapest and stopped the German deportation. Even Szálasi, who was the local far-right man wasn't up to kill anybody just because he is a member of an other ethnic group. He said that the Jews shouldn't be killed but sent to Palestine to have their own home. His ideology called Con-Nationalism is some kind of Nationalist Internationalism where every nation has it's own culture and nationalism but leave peacefully together. He formed the International Ghetto and the big city ghetto where the police protected the Jews in order not to anybody harm them. Yes, there were atrocities against the Jewish community but it was mostly made by pure criminals who entered Arrow Cross Party just to kill and rob. And now let's see what Dutch did to save Jews from Holocaust... Let me think...Anna Frank?...weeeeelll...
And yes, I also voted for that "very evil Anti-Semitic Nazi party" and 850.000 people did so also. You don't know what is happening at us and just form your opinion about what you see in the media. Do you know how many money is stolen yearly? That Hungary was the strongest and richest country in East Europe in 1989 when the Communism fell and now it is the less developing, most corrupted country in the region? That what is going on for example in Slovakia that makes most of the Hungarians angry? And thousands of other things? Well?
The party itself is not a Nazi one, it is not even a fascist party. It is a democratic party which wants to restore the order in the country and do what should have been done before like punishing Communist leaders (most of them wasn't punished for killing hundreds of people and forcing hundreds of thousands to immigrate) to stop corruption, etc. By the way is it a topic about Hungarian daily politics? I don't think so.
It is about changing province names on map, isn't it? If you don't have any arguments left you start to say things like that which are:
1.) not right and thought mainly due to Communist propaganda
2.) totally have nothing to do with the things in the topic.
Before telling nonsense things like before read C.A. Macartney: October Fifteenth, A History of Modern Hungary 1929-1945 and books like that or be quiet please. Thank you very much.
EDIT:

I have a map! Vienna should be changed to Bécs!

 

[Dutchemperor]

Do you read what I and the others write down? You write that shit again and again and I think without reading what I write. Do Germany has separate Nazi and Democratic city names? Hitlerstadt instead of Berlin or Göringburg instead of Munich? I don't think so.
Hungary and Austria are two separate parts and forms an equal union where the two nation have the same rights. Austria became more federalised just because they had a liberal government. Hungary has a separate Parliament, government and laws and has mostly nationalists in charge (the only difference in political parties that one is pro-Habsburg and the other wants independence. Yes, you are right, Slavonia is not a part of Hungary it is governed by Croatia because they received it earlier from Hungarian government. Transylvania is a part of Hungary now although it wasn't governed by Hungary from 1526 to 1867 and it always had a local noble in charge with qite big rights, it can say Transylvania wasn't part of the country so strong. But it is obviously Hungary.
About Jews: 750.000 Jews lived here and most of them moved there after the Ausgleich. In the WWII Hungary was the last bastion of the Jews and even more fled there to hide here. Although Hungary had strong relations with Germany they haven't declared war on Czechoslovakia (which Hitler wanted to do us to have a reason for interving) and even allowed to hundreds of thousands of Poles to flee to the country and later leave it thorugh Czechoslovakia. If Horthy and Hungary wouldn't be so tolerant and peaceful how do you think the Polish Legion could be formed in England and France? These two country made less for Poland than Hungary. Hungary wasn't deporting Jews until March 1944 when the country was occupied by German forces and the Hungarian government was forced to deport Jews to Germany. But when Horthy got known what happens in Auschwitz he ordered the Tank Division from Esztergom to Budapest and stopped the German deportation. Even Szálasi, who was the local far-right man wasn't up to kill anybody just because he is a member of an other ethnic group. He said that the Jews shouldn't be killed but sent to Palestine to have their own home. His ideology called Con-Nationalism is some kind of Nationalist Internationalism where every nation has it's own culture and nationalism but leave peacefully together. He formed the International Ghetto and the big city ghetto where the police protected the jews in order not to anybody harm them. Yes, there were atrocities against the Jewish community but it was mostly made by pure criminals who entered Arrow Cross Party just to kill and rob. And now let's see what Dutch did to save Jews from Holocaust... Let me think...Anna Frank?...weeeeelll...
And yes, I also voted for that "very evil Anti-Semitic Nazi party" and 850.000 people did so also. You don't know what is happening at us and just form your opinion about what you see in the media. Do you know how many money is stolen yearly? That Hungary was the strongest and richest country in East Europe in 1989 when the Communism fell and now it is the less developing, most corrupted country in the region? That what is going on for example in Slovakia that makes most of the Hungarians angry? And thousands of other things? Well?
The party itself is not a Nazi one, it is not even a fascist party. It is a democratic party which wants to restore the order in the country and do what should have been done before like punishing Communist leaders (most of them wasn't punished for killing hundreds of people and forcing hundreds of thousands to immigrate) to stop corruption, etc. By the way is it a topic about Hungarian daily politics? I don't think so.
It is about changing province names on map, isn't it? If you don't have any arguments left you start to say things like that which are:
1.) not right and thought mainly due to Communist propaganda
2.) totally have nothing to do with the things in the topic.
Before telling nonsense things like before read C.A. Macartney: October Fifteenth, A Hsitory of Modern Hungary 1929-1945 and books like that or be quiet, you arrogant stupid bastard! Thank you very much.

not i am not talking about hungarian politics and the holocaust (altough holland was a paradise for german soldiers in ww2, when they were wounded they were send to holland to get rest and then back to the east to fight, and anna frank was jew and killed by the germans she was not in the resistance, not that there was much in holland, that is why it was a paradise. in 1941 the real thing against the germans was set up (by the dutch communist party), a strike not that that heart the german soldier tourism)

on your big question: yes

if you have an English map from before ww1 showing Hungarian names, show it please to me.

to the map, not like that. how about Londen, parijs, berlijn, kopenhagen, warschau, moskou, wenen, athene, boekarest, praag, peking, kaapstad, zoutmeerstad, wilnioes etc. that is all different and you know

back to the basic:
Who and why used the Hungarian/German names in A-H.