Regarding the German numbers: Germany sent a lot of instructors and service personnel, those figures don't fully reflect the combat capability of the German volunteers.
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Expeditionary/Volunteer forces!
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Regarding the German numbers: Germany sent a lot of instructors and service personnel, those figures don't fully reflect the combat capability of the German volunteers.
Not necesarily. And less so in a less railroaded HoI4. The menace of a Communist victory is real. And if the URSS ends WWII strong, then it would surround France as well. Moreover, the AI can't have the hindsight of the German agression and power (then it would behave differently in every aspect), and MUST fear having Soviets in their backyard. Otherwise, we are not talking about a pre-WWII, but fantasy instead.
Oh, and finally, since this game is set in "historical mode", History does matter, unregarding your personal taste.
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Selecting "historical" mode only means that the AI will take more or less the historical national focuses. It doesn't mean the game will railroad on the same path every time.
(Yes I'm lazy and copy pasted from my previous post
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And historical focii need a historical background to make any sense at all. Diplomacy being part of that.
Besides, no need to repeat your posts.
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Japan in Spain is pretty idiotic.
It speaks to a big problem with the logistical system. Italy could support tens of thousands because they were right there. But Japan did not have the means to suppy troops in Spain.
It speaks to a big problem with the logistical system. Italy could support tens of thousands because they were right there. But Japan did not have the means to suppy troops in Spain.
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ok if it's really like this I think it's a cool concept.
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Why? I mean the Nationalist army was 600.000 in size and they were supplied. Why wouldn't Spain supply their allies?
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Aren't volunteers normally supplied by the country they fight for (here: Spain)?
Since Japan officially did not send troops, it would be hard to justify to the international community why Japan is delivering ammunition, food ect to those volunteers.
Actually, volunteers should not even get equipment from their home country, to simulate this.
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The tanks/aircraft and many military supplies were were provided by the Germans, Italians and Soviets (historically).
Just like Soviet and US planes in China.
Read about the Spanish, Russian, Greek, Chinese civil war and how the troops were supplied.
I have one word: Leftovers
The Russian Civil War was fought essentially with leftover supplies from WW1.
Same with the Spanis, they fought with supplies mostly from indigenous stockpiles and some internal small arms production. That's why outside supply of high tech stuff was so helpful.
In Chinese Civil war, the Chinese fought using leftover Japanese equipment and indigenous small arms.
Now, these leftovers are not up to the standard of the intervening countries troops.
A German infantry regiment has 26 heavy machine guns, 85 light machine guns, 18 x 8.1 cm mortars, 27 x 5cm mortars, 12 x 3.7cm anti-tank guns, 6 x 7.5cm infantry guns, 2 x 15cm infantry howitzers.
The Spanish cannot supply ammunition and replacements for all of this.
Or maybe they can....
I'd love it if foreign troops in your land intervening on your side would suck up all of the local supply since their supply footprint is so much larger.
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Since the Spanish (both sides) could not even suply themselves... The Nationalist operated with German supplies, while the Republicans operated with Russian supplies. The indigenous resources could sustain a little bit of ammunition, but that's it. The bad state of the stockpiles and the infrastructure created frequent ammo shortages on the front.
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Because the entire point of the intervention was the expeditionary forces used modern equipment that Spain wasn't providing for it's own troops, let alone foreigners. Expect them to fight like a spanish militia and they aren't going to make a difference.
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Some data regarding German aid in this link: http://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3463&context=etd
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_involvement_in_the_Spanish_Civil_War
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_involvement_in_the_Spanish_Civil_War
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Why is it so impossible to supply 4 infantry divisions? I still don't understand why the japanese navy would have problems with this task.
Most of the every day goods like ammo, food and fuel was available in Spain, they would only need to transport the replacement heavy equpment, and maybe ammo for the bigger guns. (and specialised equipment like radios, but those are not big in mass)
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Physically moving the equipment there once would be simple enough. Keeping a constant flow of supplies to keep the troops in the field would be challenging but doable. But how are you going to do this with the vaguest pretense of secrecy? These Japanese ships would need to be sailing back and forth through the Suez canal for months. The British would be entirely within their rights to impound the traffic if the Japanese are openly launching an invasion of Spain.
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Why the secrecy?
It's not like it was not known that the condor legion is German, or that the Italians are sending hundreds of thousands of small arms and hundreds of airplanes and part of their warfleet(plus the "volunteers" of course) to the Fascists.
What about the 300 t-26s the Soviets sent?
Everybody knew that the SCW was a proxy war,(If we use our modern term for it) but Britain did nothing to end it. Then why would they would go to war against Japan in 1936?
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That's completely false. Both sides lacked completely weapons and ammo, even small arms. The Loyalists received supplies from France (not much) and the Russians, while the Rebels from the Italians and Germans.
And fuel? Since when Spain produces fuel?
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The secrecy did exist at times, since the Axis said that they would stop sending aid, and didn't want to trigger France or UK's response.
@Zaku I recommend you to read this: http://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3463&context=etd
For Japan, an Asian nation, to invade Europe openly under it's own flag would create all sorts of backlash.
Doing it openly makes a big difference from maintaining a pretense. Everyone knows that Russian troops were fighting in Ukraine this year. That's very different from if Russia had openly invaded the country with Russian troops fighting under the Russian flag. It's strange but that's the way it is.
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