Expanding the Demo

[TheLand]

You couldn't bother uploading those oobs as complete files? I copied the Allied sections, but now the Maginot line hasn't any troops!

Even better.

I can give you a linkg to the 1940 Scenario with better OOBs.

Tis another fake PNG file. As well as the OOBs I have fortified Rotterdam and Utrecht slightly and made Rotterdam a victory location. Have also played with victory conditions so that it is more difficult to win at the Allies.

Have just played through as the Allies. This time the plans worked - part of the German army got bogged down in the Southern Netherlands while the Panzers were turned back by a concerted armoured thrust in Belgium. By May 30th the Allies were on a general offensive into Bavaria (Freiburg), the Ruhr (Cologne) and Holland (Arnhem) while the Dutch and British armies held a German Corps surrounded at Antwerp.

This attack was broadly successful and a second attack on June 15th decisively broke the German lines at Essen, Saarbrucken, Arnhem and Antwerp.

 

[von Rosen]

Excellent TheLand!

I agree with your game-type classifications of the French divisions, except perhaps the DLM´s. From what I understand these had a tank brigade, a motorized infantry brigade and an artillery regiment. So modelling them as motorized might be a bit weak? I put them as motorized with selfpropelled artilley to up their stats a bit, or might we put them as 1942 motorized?

And aren´t you a bit harsh on the Dutch and Belgian armies ? He he.

By the way, I think I made 945 revisions to my own .inc files and they kept crashing 944 times. So I´ll be happy to use yours. Did you see that Huntzinger and his pals are in the leaderfiles? I will post their numbers in an hour.

Cheers

 

[TheLand]

Thanks!

Regarding the DLMs - I take it these were the units which had those strange convertible half-tracks?

I *think* most tank brigades were stripped away and formed into Groups de Battalions de Chars, because there's no sign of tanks in their formation at:

http://france1940.free.fr/oob/7armee.html

That's why I made them Motorized. Maybe Mechanized 41 is appropriate given the presence of half-track troop carriers?

By the way - have just won it as the Germans. Attack on Paris started June 5th and finished, victoriously, on June 13th.

The AI seems very keen on counterattacking in Luxemburg. Very, very keen. In fact both sides I played there seemed to be an almost perpetual toe-to-toe battle for Luxemburg.

 

[thorpemark]

Even better.

I can give you a linkg to the 1940 Scenario with better OOBs.

Doesn't seem to work.. reports image is ZERO kb

 

[von Rosen]

I can´t download the file either!

http://enpointe.chez.tiscali.fr/dlm.html

The Light Mechanized Division was the first formation of the French army to be completely motorized. Although its initials contained the term "light", this kind of formation was even stonger than the armored divisions (DCR). This formation was named light in reference to the fact that it could deploy in combat order without any delay.

The Light Mechanized Division was built around 2 light mechanized brigades.
One of them was, in fact, an armored brigade with 2 Combat Tanks Regiments.
The Other Light Mechanized Brigade had a Recon Regiment and a Motorized Dragoons Regiment with 3 battalions. The Motorized Dragoons Battalion (DLM type) was a powerful unit that would prove to be a real match for the Schutzen battalions of the Panzer Divisions.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

I still want to know what the germans did once their armour reached the channel coast.

(and I cannot download it either)

 

[TheLand]

Sorry, problem with XP. Won't allow me to rename a .zip to a .png (or if so I don't know how!)

So here we have

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4100/ardennesevents4un.jpg - ardennes_events.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4060/ger0yk.jpg - ger.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4553/usa7ww.jpg - usa.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/633/vp7hw.jpg - vp.inc

Hope these work.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

Modified event file (with TheLands victory modifications):

http://img134.exs.cx/img134/5894/ardennesevents6vz.jpg

 

[thorpemark]

Sorry, problem with XP. Won't allow me to rename a .zip to a .png (or if so I don't know how!)

So here we have

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4100/ardennesevents4un.jpg - ardennes_events.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4060/ger0yk.jpg - ger.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/4553/usa7ww.jpg - usa.inc
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/633/vp7hw.jpg - vp.inc

Hope these work.

These worked.. using FireFox, I right clicked on each link here and chose to SAEV LINK AS.. and it downloaded the "JPG".. once down I renamed it and moved each to replace the previous 1940 mod files.

 

[TheLand]

These worked.. using FireFox, I right clicked on each link here and chose to SAEV LINK AS.. and it downloaded the "JPG".. once down I renamed it and moved each to replace the previous 1940 mod files.

What d'you think?

Also if anyone thinks it worthwhile feel free to zip up the directory and post that - would be easier for people, just I can't.

 

[thorpemark]

What d'you think?

Also if anyone thinks it worthwhile feel free to zip up the directory and post that - would be easier for people, just I can't.

Actually haven't tried it yet... but I did fire it up to check out the OOB.. looks good. In the "old" von rosen 1940 mod you had stacks of 14 or more that I would break up into smaller stacks commanded by an appropriate leader.

I like the idea of just going with pre-defined correct stacks with correct leaders.


BTW.. if anyone is reading this and they have played the Ardennes Demo and want to try somethings else.. I highly recommend the 1940 mod. It was a lot of fun. You should get von Rosen's whole 1940 mod and then these other files.

 

[thorpemark]

Okay.. tried it as the Germans.. of course since there is no diplomacy, they actually fight when you get to Paris.

The real Dunkirk was may-june.. I took it about then and achieve Paris and a strategic victory on August 1.

I never did take a maginot province.. came close on Metz a couple times. Strassbourg kicked my butt every time I tried it.

The AI Allies took Cologne and even Dortmund in a counter attack.. but kept neither.

I tried to cut off the pocket around the Maginot Line.. and did so.. but I checked the province supply numbers and they did not seem to suffer. Hmm.. is there a way to check if the unit themselves were suffering?

OH.. I think I understand.. I never took Mulhouse.. that is a map-edge province.. so they probably were supplied through some of the blackened off-map provinces.

Good game though.

 

[TheLand]

Okay.. tried it as the Germans.. of course since there is no diplomacy, they actually fight when you get to Paris.

The real Dunkirk was may-june.. I took it about then and achieve Paris and a strategic victory on August 1.

I never did take a maginot province.. came close on Metz a couple times. Strassbourg kicked my butt every time I tried it.

The AI Allies took Cologne and even Dortmund in a counter attack.. but kept neither.

I tried to cut off the pocket around the Maginot Line.. and did so.. but I checked the province supply numbers and they did not seem to suffer. Hmm.. is there a way to check if the unit themselves were suffering?

OH.. I think I understand.. I never took Mulhouse.. that is a map-edge province.. so they probably were supplied through some of the blackened off-map provinces.

Good game though.

I think the Maginot Line is a bit too strong. Fortifications seem to give a -9.9% penalty for each point, meaning Fort 10 gives a 99% penalty.

Strong though the Line was I doubt whether they were this good. Maybe Fort level 8?

I also think fortifications give supply benefits. If your units are in a fortification they will use supplies stored in the fortifications and it takes longer for supplies to get through - tihnk this is more likely than off-map supply centres.

 

[Zuckergußgebäck]

I also managed to achieve german strategic victory.

However, it was nothing like the real camapign, as I made a classical schlieffen offensive through Benelux, instead of running the panzers through the ardennes.

I managed to trigger my own defeat events too, the supplies and oil are really helpful...

 

[Mr.G 24]

I'am thinking of working on a capture the hill scenario where for every month you have the province (probably Bastogne) you get extra VP points in your capitol via an event. But before I start I was wondering if you can make an event that gives you more VPs?

 

[thorpemark]

I'am thinking of working on a capture the hill scenario where for every month you have the province (probably Bastogne) you get extra VP points in your capitol via an event. But before I start I was wondering if you can make an event that gives you more VPs?

Wanted to bump this for those who have only played the vanilla demo and want more.. they can find the 1940 scenario and hardstuff's Order of Battle mods (for the 1940 scenario) in this thread.

Also wanted to give what info I could to Mr.G 24... there do seem to be events where Hitler wants to encourage the taking of other provinces so he adds 1 VP to each of several provinces.. like Calais. I beleive if you find these events you will have your answer.

 

[Hardstuff]

Yea, remember that crash problem?

I found out what it is, but I don't know what to do.

Its when I invade the south of France, Nice, Grenoble and Marseille, after about a month... it crashes. If I hold the origional line, its fine. I tried doing that, I invaded all of N.France (to the doorstep of Paris) and S.Italy (excl. all islands due to the fact I have no transports - ie. Corsica, Malta, Sardinia) and it didn't crash until I invaded that area of France. Why does it do this?, and how can I stop it?

I will proceed to add new provinces, and the VP's. I will leave all other provinces blacked out except Europe, N.Africa, the Middle East (around Syria) and W.Russia (also the sea provinces).

I've been very busy lately so, I didn't get too much done. Also I kept trying to find out why it crashed... (If anyone can shed some light on this, please do so - might it be the AI?)

 

[thorpemark]

Didn't someone say something about the provinces all needing to be "owned"?

That is.. the original problem with full map and Tours with the allied troops in it was that Tours was not "owned". When I moved the troops out to some "owned" province.. from the original demo map.. it worked fine.. no crash.

Just a guess.

 

[Hardstuff]

All the provinces are owned...

Hmm... damn, unless I get this fixed, I might have to either drop it all, or cut out... that area and everything below (you will lose Italy, the Med, N.Africa...)

 

[Exterous]

I'll take a look at it if you want (PM it to me or something)