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As a beginner, I am playing as 1066 Sweden, I am mostly surrounded by pagans/non-Catholics or strong European rivals like Denmark and Norway.

On that note is it a wiser strategy to focus all my efforts on constructing holdings rather than spending large amounts on expansion for little monetary gain?
 
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As Sweden it's probably a good idea to build up slowly while marrying into title claims. Kingdoms like Denmark and Norge are definately targets but don't take them one county or duchy at a time, it takes too much of a toll on you. Trying to marry your heir into a claim on one of the kingdoms is a better idea. First things to work on are probably making sure you build up your power base and increasing your income with castle towns and cities.

Slowly taking the pagan lands and converting them to christian feudal counties is something to get started on but don't go too fast for your army or economy to keep up.
 
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I can't speak for all play-throughs, but generally in feudal, you want to focus on gold income buildings in the demesne you control. Castle towns should be your focus. For now, avoid constructing buildings on vassal demesne, as they'll take a cut of the profits. Only work buildings up to level-2, as going from level-2 to level-3 isn't as cost effective. Gold income buildings become even more valuable in earlier starting dates, as obviously the more you play, the more you earn, whereas with military you have a hard cap based on your martial score, military buildings, and other factors.

Constructing holdings early on is too expensive, so it's generally wiser to seize new holdings rather than build new ones early on. Plus, even if you build a new holding, you'll then have to build additional buildings within it to see a return on your investment. You may also consider stealing a vassal's demesne by either finding a way to inherit it, or if you're their liege then revoke the title. They'll get pissed, but they'll forgive you eventually, lulz.
 
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All of the tribal pagans around you are basically not worth the effort at all. Their land is nearly worthless even when feudalized and taking the land will be an uphill battle to say the least- defensive pagans (Slavic, Suomenusko, Romuva) all inherently have a defensive buff to make up for their light infantry based armies and you will suffer greatly increased attrition in their lands without high military organization tech.

For the time being, build yourself up internally and try to play the marriage/inheritance game. Look for claimants if you can't marry into the ruling family yourself- give them a barony or county and then press their claim. If you can get your hands on another kingdom, then I would see about holy warring the pagans to fill out the requirement for the Empire of Scandinavia. Beyond that, maybe see if you can get your hands on parts of Poland or the British Isles.

In all honesty though, you would probably be better off with a different start in 1066. Something like Toulouse, Bohemia, Tuscany, or Apulia are all highly recommended for a first game. If you want something slightly more challenging then try one of the Iberian Kingdoms.
 

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youre gonna want to conquer the pagans eventually(at least if you wanna be emperor of scandinavia), but for now focus on conquering norway and denmark, as well as get your hands on as many duchiesa nd counties in sweden as you can.

conquering by kingdom claim is good, but not necessarily the only way. the times when you should avoid conquering by duchy and county claim, is when the nation in question has more troops than you to begin with, and will thus have a great shot reconquering the lands once they recover. neither should apply to demark and norway.

also, focus on getting promigeniture. as quickly as possible.

when the time comes to conquer the pagans of finland, be ready for massive costs to get every county out of tribalism. also, you should focus on storming the counties rather than sieging, as they can convert to chirstianity and thus remove your best clasus beli and make your previous efforts wasted. also, move your troops around by boat if you can, finland has some insane traveling times.
 

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Reaper's Due makes staying idle actually worthwhile in that your prosperity will increase much faster. When I start and I'm sure I'm in a secure position, I immediately go for the prosperity boosting ambition to get the realm up to the first tier of prosperity. I don't how Sweden's terrain might figure in, but as France, it's easy to get the entire realm to the third level of Prosperity in a couple of decades.
 

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youre gonna want to conquer the pagans eventually(at least if you wanna be emperor of scandinavia), but for now focus on conquering norway and denmark, as well as get your hands on as many duchiesa nd counties in sweden as you can.

conquering by kingdom claim is good, but not necessarily the only way. the times when you should avoid conquering by duchy and county claim, is when the nation in question has more troops than you to begin with, and will thus have a great shot reconquering the lands once they recover. neither should apply to demark and norway.

also, focus on getting promigeniture. as quickly as possible.

when the time comes to conquer the pagans of finland, be ready for massive costs to get every county out of tribalism. also, you should focus on storming the counties rather than sieging, as they can convert to chirstianity and thus remove your best clasus beli and make your previous efforts wasted. also, move your troops around by boat if you can, finland has some insane traveling times.

Thanks, what do you mean storm
Rather than seige?
 

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As Sweden it's probably a good idea to build up slowly while marrying into title claims. Kingdoms like Denmark and Norge are definately targets but don't take them one county or duchy at a time, it takes too much of a toll on you. Trying to marry your heir into a claim on one of the kingdoms is a better idea. First things to work on are probably making sure you build up your power base and increasing your income with castle towns and cities.

Slowly taking the pagan lands and converting them to christian feudal counties is something to get started on but don't go too fast for your army or economy to keep up.

Thanks, I already have my king married into Skane (Denmark) so with any luck my hair will bring it into the kingdom of Sweden. Currently at war with my half brother who owns half of Sweden and when I win the whole lot will be under my ownership so I can cut it up into smaller chunks and distribute among weak vassals. One issue is with all the internal turmoil the council have passed some unwanted laws like the right to grant titles. How can I work on getting these reversed? The whole favour system seems hard to control??
 

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Reaper's Due makes staying idle actually worthwhile in that your prosperity will increase much faster. When I start and I'm sure I'm in a secure position, I immediately go for the prosperity boosting ambition to get the realm up to the first tier of prosperity. I don't how Sweden's terrain might figure in, but as France, it's easy to get the entire realm to the third level of Prosperity in a couple of decades.

What is all this talk of peace you're on about? WAR! UNENDING WAR! That is the only way to play. And if there's not a war, you're preparing for a war, or preparing for your decrepit king's successor to wage a war. Some folks don't have the luxury of being able to wait for these so called "secure positions". Who needs to build province prosperity when you can just take it from some other guy?
 

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What is all this talk of peace you're on about? WAR! UNENDING WAR! That is the only way to play. And if there's not a war, you're preparing for a war, or preparing for your decrepit king's successor to wage a war. Some folks don't have the luxury of being able to wait for these so called "secure positions". Who needs to build province prosperity when you can just take it from some other guy?

This is the attitude that caused my Livonian Hunchback, Lisp and Dwarf character die as Disfigured, One-Eyed, One-Handed, One-Legged, Eunuch while fighting against the Khagan somewhere in Ughyur at the age of 87.

I bet that he would have lived to be over 100 years old if he hadn't turned into a Monthy Python Black Knight.
 

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Yes, I don't know if it's a recent patch but I've started assaulting way more. If you have x10, or even x9 and you have much larger forces, then storm storm storm every castle. You'll lose a few hundred men each time, but you probably would've lost them anyway from siege events like "defenders poison your food supply" or something like that. Also, if you're fighting a defensive pact (like if you are England and invading a one county guy in Ireland), if you completely occupy the main defender before any of your own provinces are captured, you will get 100% warscore and can end the war without fighting the other defenders at all. In situations like that assault even if you outnumber x7 or something.