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Great news, but could you please give us a estimated date? or some of the upcoming features, it's been quite a while now.
Thanks!!
All the dates and announcements are up to Paradox, so unfortunately I can't say anything to this
^^So that will translate into no announcement, but us rather keeping an eye on steam/in-game store.
Great work btw. I'm also curious about the other game you guys and girls are working on.
Great work btw. I'm also curious about the other game you guys and girls are working on.
I don't want monorails, they are NOT a serious transport mode. Couldn't we have the many known bugs (pathing, ticket prices. pedestrian roads etc.) fixed, plus some decent metro stations instead? (Island platforms please?) This would make me happy.
Because YOU don't want some stuff, there should do other stuff that would make YOU happy? A little bit of egocentric, isn't it?
No seriously, I believe most of the major bugs (or at least many of them) will be fixed with the next patch which comes in early 2014.
Obviously they can not release minor bugfixes since they may have a lot of code regarding the new expansion already in the version of the game on which there are working right now. And since fixing some stuff while adding new features can cause new bugs and problems, there want to test everything and then release it all together when it's done. So we have to be patient, wait for the patch and the DLC and then we can go on
No seriously, I believe most of the major bugs (or at least many of them) will be fixed with the next patch which comes in early 2014.
Obviously they can not release minor bugfixes since they may have a lot of code regarding the new expansion already in the version of the game on which there are working right now. And since fixing some stuff while adding new features can cause new bugs and problems, there want to test everything and then release it all together when it's done. So we have to be patient, wait for the patch and the DLC and then we can go on
Because YOU don't want some stuff, there should do other stuff that would make YOU happy? A little bit of egocentric, isn't it?
No seriously, I believe most of the major bugs (or at least many of them) will be fixed with the next patch which comes in early 2014.
Obviously they can not release minor bugfixes since they may have a lot of code regarding the new expansion already in the version of the game on which there are working right now. And since fixing some stuff while adding new features can cause new bugs and problems, there want to test everything and then release it all together when it's done. So we have to be patient, wait for the patch and the DLC and then we can go on
wait wait wait where did you find out that it comes in early 2014 and the fact that there is some form of new expansion ?????
With regard to patch, co_martsu recently posted the following in the bug reports subforum:
still what did they mean by 'regarding the new expansion already in the version of the game' do they mean the recent dlc's ?
As slornie already posted:
Regarding the "expansion" I'm talking about: In this very thread, co_matsu wrote an indirect statement, that something big is coming:
After that, douglasrac found out that it may be monorails:I'm hoping we can tell you guys soon what's happening... Patience
Also a new DLC is registered at Steam for quite a while (as well as a Linux version of the game).ITS MONORAILS!! Marvelous, marvelous Monorails!!
Since we all don't know what's really going on, everything is pure speculation. However, we know that CO released the content of upcoming DLCs in patches prior to the DLC release, while the DLC itselfs only unlocks the content already in the game at this date.
So my guess was, that the stuff for the next DLC is already in the version COs devs are currently working. Because this DLC is not yet officially announced and there may be a few bigger changes effecting other parts of the game which have to be fixed or tested, CO is not able to deliver a patch right now.
I think we have to wait until the next DLC (or maybe something other) is announced and then CO will release the patch including (hopefully) mayor bugfixes and new content regarding the DLC.
Of course, everything is just speculation
Obviously they can not release minor bugfixes since they may have a lot of code regarding the new expansion already in the version of the game on which there are working right now. And since fixing some stuff while adding new features can cause new bugs and problems, there want to test everything and then release it all together when it's done. So we have to be patient, wait for the patch and the DLC and then we can go on
You don't work in software development obviously
We have a thing we call configuration management, aka source control repositories. CVS, SVN, Perforce, SourceSafe etc. Branches, merges, integrations, patches and changelists etc. You might have 2 branches, stable (been released) and development (hasn't been released, WIP). If a bug is reported in the release version, you fix it there. Then a developer spends a few hours, maybe a day merging that change into the dev branch.
@PaulCA: Not to mention that tying the application of patches/fixing bugs to the purchase of an expansion/DLC would quickly frustrate/alienate a lot of the community!
I guess you did not get the point.
The DLC's have to be on your harddisk even you have not bought them. Thats why they are distributed with the patches. If they would not be on your harddisk you would not be able to see them in multiplayer games - as you are. So all DLC's are on your disk and buying them from steam just unlocks the DLC's so that you can use them.
So yes, the patch and the DLC are merged together, but no, you do not have to buy the DLC to get the patch. You rather have to get the patch to be able to unlock the DLC.
So I can't see anything wrong in AlexanderN post.
The DLC's have to be on your harddisk even you have not bought them. Thats why they are distributed with the patches. If they would not be on your harddisk you would not be able to see them in multiplayer games - as you are. So all DLC's are on your disk and buying them from steam just unlocks the DLC's so that you can use them.
So yes, the patch and the DLC are merged together, but no, you do not have to buy the DLC to get the patch. You rather have to get the patch to be able to unlock the DLC.
So I can't see anything wrong in AlexanderN post.
I know exactly that software developing works that way (with different branches and builds, especially when we are talking about debugging). (By the way: smashing around fancy abbreviations doesn't really help anyone (and yes I know themYou don't work in software development obviously
))However, I don't quite think, that CO really is maintaining the stable and dev branch separately. They have enough work by focusing on the one branch without having to merge them together when something changes.
For some periods of time, we received patches very frequently, for some periods when they where fixing bigger stuff, it took some time. So I don't think that they are focusing on different branches and modules, but work on ONE code and only build it with debugging for their testing and without debugging for release.
In fact als patches were tied to a upcomming DLC release in the past@PaulCA: Not to mention that tying the application of patches/fixing bugs to the purchase of an expansion/DLC would quickly frustrate/alienate a lot of the community!
And since they are working on a major DLC, there was no patch for a long time That DLCs have to be tied to a patch is obviously, since everyone has to have the DLC content in his game for multiplayer matches. However, as we saw in the past, sometimes DLC content was in the game waaaaayyy before the actual DLC was released. For example if I remember correctly, some landmarks (or parts of it) where found in the bundle files a month before they were even advertised.
If CO really works with different branches for dev and stable, then why had they released this unfinished content which no one can use? They could have just not include this in the stable branch if they really use different ones.
This is what caused me thinking, if CO would release a patch now, we maybe would find at least some stuff regarding the next DLC, and this is why they don't released any patches yet.
I have to admit, that I never looked into any bundle files myself, and of course I don't have any contact to CO or whatever.
All my thesis were just guesses. They may be correct, they may be wrong, or they may be something in between. And I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, just an attempt to explain why maybe we don't get patches.
However, we know for sure that there was no patch for weeks (even months?), and the next is not comming before 2014.
I strongly believe (or at least hope) when we get the next patch, we will also get the DLC content update very soon, and then the unlocking soon after this.
However, I don't see any point in further discussing the way software is developed in general or at CO. As I already mentioned: I'll just wait for the next patch and see what it brings
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