excesive IC and resource shortage problem, playing as Germany

[unmerged(29298)]

i play as Germany,

after suthenland i invaded denmark, sweden, norwar,
luxemburg, holland, belgium, france, switzerland.

the polish border is fixed, also yugoslavia.

i have to much IC, and to few resources.

i have enough iron, and almost all converting techs...

but i lack rubber, and have many tanks, so the coal production is not enough.

i had not choice to change
prince of terror, +25% IC for (-5 dissent and more manpower) with man of people, not for the manpower, that i don´t need because i use tanks, but for the dissent improvment, that gives me more research, with less IC

and administrative genius +25ic, for the economist (-5) dissent.

i am sad about this, he was a good man and very efficient.

is there anyway to improve coal production soon?

maybe puppeting some country istead of annexing? which?

when you puppet someone, when they will give you resources?
how do you know how much resources are you getting?

thanks

 

[Crazyhorse]

is there anyway to improve coal production soon?

Getting Oil or rubber is better.

maybe puppeting some country istead of annexing? which?

when you puppet someone, when they will give you resources?
how do you know how much resources are you getting?

thanks

You get the resources when you take over a nations capital. How much you get is not visible.

Puppeting has the advantage of getting the nations army and surplus of resources.

Annexng gives you a % of the IC/MP/resources every day. Only more IC is also more need for resources.

 

[korny]

Capture parts of the middle east - that will give you oil then your demand for converted coal will decrease and you should be ok...

I usually invade turkey then go grab iraq and the whole saudi peninsula...
Then I have a land conncetion to my capitol to the ME..

But sounds like you didnt annex yugo/bulgaria/greece so its hard to get to Turkey for you...

 

[unmerged(29126)]

Puppetting gives you all the puppets surplus ressources. AFAIK they substract 100 of each resource before giving you the rest. This allows them to sustain a max. of 50 ICs

You already have all the major coal-producing countries in europe ... how many ICs do you have ? How many tanks ? I'm not sure how you can run out of coal at this stage ... did you stockpile 99999k coal and as much rubber as possible before going to war ? What year is it? What is your coal->oil->rubber conversion-ratio ? Which conversion-techs do you have ?

More coal is not on the horizon ... the Balkan-countries aren't that rich ... SU is the only other place I can think of ATM.

Baku has a lot of oil as well ... as Germany reaching the rubber-producing provinces is gonna be TOUGH.

 

[Dalwin]

What I do when I reach that point is dedicate several territories to upgrading AA or coastal defenses. These defenses are effectivel free at that point because you couldn't afford to run all of the factories anyway.

 

[Executor]

The best way I've found for solving my resource problems as Germany is to DoW another country and take their capital. As long as you keep repeating it every couple months, you shouldn't have any problems, at least until you run out of easy targets.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

Part of your strategy should be how to acquire resources and keep your economy on more or less full production. As Germany I DoW and annex both Bulgaria and Yugoslavia so that I have a clear path towards Africa and the Middle East later on after I deal with the Soviet Union. Later in the game I then start taking Africa and set up a direct land connection from Berlin to Capetown. After I annex the Belgium African holdings and Liberia and the Middle East, I'm pretty well set up for resources for the rest of the game.

At some point in 1942 or so I will switch to the Laissez Faire capitalist instead of an admin genius for about one year. I will also occasionally idle industry for a while by overallocating either research or unit production or both areas. My manpower is usually low despite having the man of the people so for a while I can not build more units and reinforce existings ones due to manpower. But later on I switch back to the admin genius when my resources problems stop in 1943 or 1944 due to my succesful strategy.

 

[unmerged(24947)]

Add Romania as an ally. They tend to feed you oil, with your high tech level in conversion, will help you in the short term. Agree with the other comments on needing middle east oil. Never thought about the Africa strategy before and annexing Belgian provinces down there but I like it. Steelrain

 

[Fawr]

I imagine that your problem is having too many tanks. Tanks now take up a huge amount of oil, which Germany can't afford. In my games as Germany since 1.05c I have started limiting myself to 12 tank divisions and no mech as otherwise I run into huge resource problems.

To start fixing your problem I suggest the following
1) get all the industrial tech (to convert coal to oil better)
2) stop building tanks/mech
3) upgrade things in your provinces (not IC obviously). AA, Forts and Infrastructure will all help your army, and don't cost resources to build (only IC).

 

[rommel7]

Add Romania as an ally. They tend to feed you oil, with your high tech level in conversion, will help you in the short term. Agree with the other comments on needing middle east oil. Never thought about the Africa strategy before and annexing Belgian provinces down there but I like it. Steelrain

I've got a question about Romania. In my current game (1.06 normal/normal) as Germany I'm planning on invading and annexing Romania to A) secure it's oil production and B) provide an ocean conection to Hungary so I can ship my ally resources in order to boost its economy and production.

Would puppeting Romania be a better move in the long run? I want to build up Hungary's economy by giving it parts of Poland, Romania, and Yugoslavia through conquest, but none of that will matter if I can't get them more resources. Another part of my overall strategy is to build a land bridge through Turkey, which would let me strike at the ME and the Baku region of Russia.

 

[Thistletooth]

I've got a question about Romania. In my current game (1.06 normal/normal) as Germany I'm planning on invading and annexing Romania to A) secure it's oil production and B) provide an ocean conection to Hungary so I can ship my ally resources in order to boost its economy and production.

Would puppeting Romania be a better move in the long run? I want to build up Hungary's economy by giving it parts of Poland, Romania, and Yugoslavia through conquest, but none of that will matter if I can't get them more resources. Another part of my overall strategy is to build a land bridge through Turkey, which would let me strike at the ME and the Baku region of Russia.

It would be very tricky to capture Romania while also granting Hungary a port. You'd have to invade Romania from two areas, one in German soil, and one in Hungarian. The Hungarian spearhead would have to reach the Black Sea without going through Ploesti, while you take the rest. If you annex it then, Hungary should keep what you grabbed for them. You'd have to make sure that any territory you capture, and want Hungary to keep, does not border any province you currently control for yourself.

I think that you would get more oil in the long run if you puppetted Romania, especially if you are playing CORE*. If you puppet, you'll get all of the oil they have above 100 or so (stockpile, not daily), and that certainly beats the roughly 50% you'll get if you annex it. In CORE (and maybe in vanilla, I don't remember), there is also an event that gives you more oil if Romania is your ally, which they will be if they are your puppet, but not if they have been annexed.


* - I don't mean to whore it, but I think it makes a sizable difference.

 

[unmerged(3221)]

You would be better off allying with Romania than trying to either puppet or annex it. Ally with both Hungary and Romania. Take military control of them. Share tech with them. You end up with 24+ divisions from each for the invasion of the SU.

Romania also sends 15K oil to Germany each June which is about what you would get from puppeting them. Hungary does fine without more resources.

To set up a Turkey invasion route, DoW and annex both Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. At some point usually 6 Jan 1940 Italy will DoW Greece so be prepared for that and annex Greece too.

 

[Tel]

I haven't done it for a very long time, but I think if you invade and puppet Romania you get both their surplus oil and the event that gives you 15000 oil, since they will be your ally after puppeting. If you only go for their victory point provinces and make sure not to surround and destroy their divisions you can leave their army in decent shape to help you out.

Of course I haven't done this since about version 1.02 or 1.03 so I'm not sure you can still get the event if they are your puppet.

 

[unmerged(8319)]

You would be better off allying with Romania than trying to either puppet or annex it. Ally with both Hungary and Romania. Take military control of them. Share tech with them. You end up with 24+ divisions from each for the invasion of the SU.

Romania also sends 15K oil to Germany each June which is about what you would get from puppeting them. Hungary does fine without more resources.

To set up a Turkey invasion route, DoW and annex both Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. At some point usually 6 Jan 1940 Italy will DoW Greece so be prepared for that and annex Greece too.

*Cough!*
The oil event is random, isn't it? It doesn't ALWAYS trigger in june AFAIK(?)

 

[unmerged(17617)]

*Cough!*
The oil event is random, isn't it? It doesn't ALWAYS trigger in june AFAIK(?)

It triggers every year somewhere in june. Exploit ahead ; I just checked the events and there doesn't seem to be a counter event for Romania in Vanilla HOI (although I think there is one in CORE) where Romania looses any oil, Germany just gets it out of nowhere. So if you're really desperate for oil you could puppet Romania, receive their excess oil and still have the event every year .

 

[unmerged(29126)]

In other words you can have your cake and eat it too

 

[unmerged(10750)]

A couple of other suggestions...

-Replacing Schacht with someone else reduces total ICs.

-If you put excess ICs into production, those ICs don't use resources. If, for instance, you have 100 ICs in the production slider, but are only building 80 ICs worth of stuff, those extra 20 ICs don't use up resources. You can see your "idle" ICs at the top - if your IC icon reads 20/500, that means that you have 20 ICs not using any resources.

 

[Pro_Consul]

If you put excess ICs into production, those ICs don't use resources. If, for instance, you have 100 ICs in the production slider, but are only building 80 ICs worth of stuff, those extra 20 ICs don't use up resources. You can see your "idle" ICs at the top - if your IC icon reads 20/500, that means that you have 20 ICs not using any resources.

There is a much better way to save resources when you have excess IC. Just put a province or three into upgrade mode, building AA, infra or whatever. For example, if you have those 20 extra ICs, put a 20 IC province (or 2 tens, etc) into upgrade mode building infrastructure. This will remove IC from your total available IC and free up resources that way (upgrades do not consume resources). It will also lower your CG requirement, thus saving even more resources. So you conserve resources even better, AND you get province improvements out of it. That is having your cake.....with extra frosting.

 

[Waffen9999]

How can you people nonchalantly talk about invading Bulgaria? Have you no love for Germany's ally?

 

[korny]

Just keep conquring national stockpiles - once you capture all the counties you win....