Excellence of v1.07

[Fossa]

Playing as England in the GC the AI with patch 1.07 is better than ever. I have stayed out of european affairs, concentraiting on colonization. When trying to advance into China, the other countries obviously thought I was getting to large.

Within a month of my declaration of war against China, France's alliance of some 5-6 countries AND Portugal's alliance of 4 countries declared war on me. The end of England as a superpower is close, they're attacking me everywhere, India, America, Africa, the home islands.........this game is really fun!

I think that stability increase is slower with 1.07, anybody else noticed it?

 

[Johan]

Stability increase costs were always based on the size of your country.

However, now provinces with different religion costs twice as much.

/Johan

 

[daboese]

I have noticed that, if you keep out of the European Affairs with either Portugal or England and strictly not getting involved into any war at all, you can actually do quite well with 1.07. But- is this, especially for a country which is based in Middle Europe, like France, Austria or Spain possible? Think again. The AI will go berserk if you play just a tad more agressively...

 

[Oranje]

Would be real nice if Johan could shed some light on the impact differences of 1.07 compared to the unpatched EUgame between the difficulty and agressiveness settings of the game.
Afaik this information is not included in the readme files with the patches (idea?)

greetings, Oranje

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[Hartmann]

Originally posted by Oranje:
Would be real nice if Johan could shed some light on the impact differences of 1.07 compared to the unpatched EUgame between the difficulty and agressiveness settings of the game.
Afaik this information is not included in the readme files with the patches (idea?)

greetings, Oranje

Well, I recently have made some trials with Austria with different AI agressivity levels and noted, that with 1.06/1.07 it´s better not to play with the settings AI agressive/wild. But that may at the moment depend heavily on the country You play. I had fairly nice results playing Russia with AI agressive.

Hartmann



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[Johan]

Agreesive setting on AI really affect the result of anti-powermongering.

/Johan

 

[unmerged(161)]

I play a GC as france now, and indeed when you are a little too aggressive the alliances gang up on you...However, with a lot of gold going into diplomacy and a few wars i was able to conquer Calais, 3 irish provinces, Luxermbourg and hainout from britain and spain, And annexed Burgundy ( became independent form spain! ) Savoje, toscana and Genua diplomaticly, and together with spain annexed the Papal states.

I played on Hard/Aggressive and found the game, much, much tougher. I won all my wars so far, mainly thanks to my alliance with scotland, wich occupies two british provinces now. But I had some really big wars wich i barely won....

All in all, patch 1.7 is a great improvement, although sometimes the AI gangs up on you a tad too much...but after all, i play on aggressive AI..haven't tried normal AI yet

Marc

 

[daboese]

The patch is OK for players who are VERY aggressive or not agressive at all. For the ones who are something in between, and who only attack if they are getting attacked or attack to get another country (like Scotland) off your back, the patch is not much fun- and you generally cannot attack non- European countries, which is a little bit weird as well...

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[unmerged(158)]

I still play version 1.04 and I missed patch 1.06. I have patch 1.07 now but after what I read in other threads I did not dare to implement it. I am playing very conservatively (nearly never declare wars which reduce stability) but from what other players write I have the impression that this is not sufficient for 1.07. Is it true that:
- Getting provinces even in a defensive war increases the bad boy value?
- Making as Spain war against the Incas will make the Polish more aggressive towards Spain?
-England might be great with 1.07. But what about Austria or Russia? Is it possible with 1.07 that Russia makes her historical conquests?
-Does 1.07 make Turkey unpopular among muslims if they conquer Austrian provinces?
-Is it true that peacefull annexation is penalized?
-Are the sins of the past never forgotten?
If 1.07 leads to unhistorical conditions I would rather prefer to have 1.06 which is unfortunately no longer available.

 

[daboese]

Well, 1.06 has the same problems with the badboy value than 1.07. Now to your points:
* Getting provinces even in a defensive war increases the bad boy value?'- Yes
* 'Making as Spain war against the Incas will make the Polish more aggressive towards Spain?'- Yes, since the badboy value increases
* 'England might be great with 1.07'- No, not when I play it the way I like to with annexing Scotland in the very beginning
* 'But what about Austria or Russia?' Russia is more or less OK, since it has gotten a corner position, and CB shields over most of the east. Those shields make the badboy value not go up that much, and it can fend off assaults relatively easy. Playing Austria is extremely tough.
* Does 1.07 make Turkey unpopular among muslims if they conquer Austrian provinces? You will still be popular- BUT, that doesn't mean that a country which has a relationship of +200 with you doesn't declare war on you
* Is it true that peacefull annexation is penalized?- Yes, when I have a higher 'badboy value', a peaceful annexion automatically leads to war with the whole world.
* Are the sins of the past never forgotten?- As far as I know, not- the only way to get your value down again is to shrink and to loose some land to other countries.

 

[unmerged(358)]

But remember, my experience lately with playing a newly started game with 1.07 (from the start) as Norway (my own edited scenario) I've had no problems with the whole world attacking me, and I've had some wars of aggression as well as defence. I've captured Holstein as well as Jylland and back Finmark and Narvik from Hansa. I've never experienced any major ganging up on me... But I have experienced that Sweden declared war on me when I was in a war with a german alliance, (Hansa, brandenburg, Hannover + some more I seem to recall), as a proper backstabbing move... I liked that a lot, well not when I was playing but when I'm judging the AI obviously )
I haven't checked my badboy value, but the point I'm trying to make is that as a small country in the beginning you can still have your few wars without things going all bonkers...

Cobos

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[daboese]

Dunno, but the games I played with 1.07 were simply not playable anymore after about 100 years- I mean without having the agenda of conquering the whole world...

 

[Johan]

Badboy value decrease slowly over time.

1.07b will soon be out, which adresses these problems.

/Johan

 

[unmerged(158)]

Thank you daboese. Your information really helps. I will try 1.07.

 

[daboese]

I will *LOVE* 1.07b. And as far as I have heard, for 1.07, you should choose either Portugal (since you cannot be too agressive with it anyway), Russia or Turkey- and perhaps England (playing very peacefully). On all those countries the effect of 1.07 should be rather positive than negative, and BTW- 1.07 is much more stable (at least to me) than the previous versions.

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Fossa:
I think that stability increase is slower with 1.07, anybody else noticed it?

I am also playing a GC with England and it now takes a ridiculously long time to increase stability. This makes it very difficult to ever declare war.

 

[unmerged(281)]

Just wondering, what is a ridiculously long time, a year, 5, 10?

Just had a thought, regards the other thread, maybe decreasing Scotland's stability, therefore making it harder for them to declare war would fix the Scotland over England 'problem'. This would also help simulate the fact that although Scotland could call upon a large amount forces for defense, it could not sustain them in the field for to long without it having disastrous effects, on the ecomomy, harvest, trade, etc., etc.

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[Dark Knight]

With all investment going towards stability, it seems to be taking over a year per stability level even with an Art Academy.

I don't think lower stability would solve the Scotland problem because they are usually drawn into a war against England by an alliance with other powers and in any event could simply increase their stability, so it would only slightly set them back.

 

[unmerged(281)]

As I have said in another post, you could also make Scotland like England more so they are less likely to declare war.

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[Oranje]

Originally posted by Dark Knight:
With all investment going towards stability, it seems to be taking over a year per stability level even with an Art Academy.

I don't think lower stability would solve the Scotland problem because they are usually drawn into a war against England by an alliance with other powers and in any event could simply increase their stability, so it would only slightly set them back.

Hello Dark Knight,
Why would Scotland be a problem with 1.07?
What I mean is this, England not being able to annex Scotland straight away doesn't seem to be a problem. If on average you still couldn't do it by the time Scotland and England were unified historically, then we'd have a problem. I don't think that is the case.
England didn't rise to greatness that early, and if the game is holding England back a little in the first part of the 300 years, I'd say that's pretty neat.

greetings, Oranje

greetings, Oranje



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Common sense is the set of prejudices acquired at age eighteen.
Albert Einstein