Exactly how big is a human cruiser?

[CrazyElf]

There seems to be some disagreement on human cruiser sizes.

Official literature says ~90m, but some people have argued that it may be ~160m.





Picture for analysis:

http://sots2.rorschach.net/images/e/eb/SotS2_Dossier_0.png

Note that there is a human adult (lets say a male at 1.8m in height) in the picture.




Other analysis:

- In game, we can see through the windows of some human vessels the chairs on board. Lets assume that they are the size of typical chairs that you would find in 21st century.

 

[LaDoncella]

This link may help you: http://sots2.rorschach.net/Ship_size_comparison

 

[unmerged(402700)]

I think they made mistakes when doing the math and measuring but I'd say 400 FT is a cruiser 800 FT is a dreadnought and 1300 FT is a Leviathan.

 

[Blackwarder]

I remember that we had this same disscution almost a year back using the same picture if yoyu use the human silluate as a scale and say that it's 1.8m in hight than the length of the cruiser is bigger than the official 90m. don't remember by him much.

Warder

 

[Elouda]

The official length is 90m. When someone did an analysis using that human and got ~160m, we were told not to take the person's scale on that picture too seriously. 90m is sensible, as it makes the DN's 270m, a little smaller than a modern carrier, and the LV 810m.

 

[unmerged(402700)]

LV is far too big in that case.

 

[Elouda]

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[unmerged(402700)]

The amount of equipment material and mass that it either carries or sustains is not equal to that size.

It CAN'T be that size.

 

[razaron]

I get between 170m and 180m, assuming the human is 1.8m.

 

[brn4meplz]

How about how big is a node fighter? I just discovered you can give them Torpedo mounts!

 

[Elouda]

Well, the masses are all off, so dont use those as a reference. A cruiser is the weight of a lorry according to the game, so yeah.

Still not sure what you mean? You think its too small to carry all that, or too big?

 

[unmerged(402700)]

I'm saying that close to 900m is far too big a size to call it.

Everything needs to be reduced by 250 ft or so from what I can tell of these estimates of size.

 

[brn4meplz]

250ft is ~80m which puts 900m into 820 which is close to their estimate of 810m.

Unless you meant reduce them by 250m and not ft. I think they seem large but I'm not sure they seem +800m A sense of scale is always hard to get proper because games always try and artificially add scale to things.

 

[EvilSoeren]

That would make it as big as the Enterprise. It seems a bit off.

 

[Arankor]

The amount of equipment material and mass that it either carries or sustains is not equal to that size.

It CAN'T be that size.

Why? Would you care to elaborate on this? Because I am not quite seeing it.

 

[CrazyElf]

How many pixels are those 2 humans in height on the picture?

Versus how many pixels in length is that cruiser?

 

[erdrik]

How many pixels are those 2 humans in height on the picture?

Versus how many pixels in length is that cruiser?

The official length is 90m. When someone did an analysis using that human and got ~160m, we were told not to take the person's scale on that picture too seriously. 90m is sensible, as it makes the DN's 270m, a little smaller than a modern carrier, and the LV 810m.

Underlined means pixel measurements will not be accurate.

 

[Jorgen_CAB]

Kerberos view of sizes are a little of. For example they call dreadnoughts three times the size of a cruiser while it in "reality" would be closer to 20-30 times the size of a cruiser given the current difference in size. If you actually compare the size of a cruiser and a dreadnought visually I would guess that the dreadnought are about 20 times bigger.

If you take the human cruiser then the figure represented on one of the pictures is in my opinion about the size that it ought to be. You can also zoom in on a cruiser and see some corridors and doors and based on that you can figure a rough scale of the ship and I would assume a human cruiser to be about 120-160m... lets say 140m. A human dreadnought is about three times as long but not three times as wide and high, but it would then be about 400m in length (not totally unreasonable). I have not been able to do a comparison with a leviathan and a dreadnought yet so I will not comment on that.

Kerberos also like to think that a human cruiser is about 17000kg which as averyone here probably agrees on is a joke, 17000 tonnes is more appropriate (the size of a WW2 heavy cruiser)... don't get me started on the mass of dreadnoughts that Kerberos gives, those numbers are even more funny.

The official length of a human cruiser is 90m and weighing in at about 17 tonnes... is this reasonable based on sketches and scale of the ship?!?

And... of course... this is not important other than for RP when you play... if even then...

 

[Elouda]

The stated scaling factor (3 times) is LENGTH. As you point out, volume scales differently (not quite cubic, so 20x volume for CR->DN is pretty reasonable).

The weights are known about, but lets let them fix the worst bugs before asking for that kg to be changed to tons. The official lengths I have no issue with.

 

[CrazyElf]

Kerberos view of sizes are a little of. For example they call dreadnoughts three times the size of a cruiser while it in "reality" would be closer to 20-30 times the size of a cruiser given the current difference in size. If you actually compare the size of a cruiser and a dreadnought visually I would guess that the dreadnought are about 20 times bigger.

If you take the human cruiser then the figure represented on one of the pictures is in my opinion about the size that it ought to be. You can also zoom in on a cruiser and see some corridors and doors and based on that you can figure a rough scale of the ship and I would assume a human cruiser to be about 120-160m... lets say 140m. A human dreadnought is about three times as long but not three times as wide and high, but it would then be about 400m in length (not totally unreasonable). I have not been able to do a comparison with a leviathan and a dreadnought yet so I will not comment on that.

Kerberos also like to think that a human cruiser is about 17000kg which as averyone here probably agrees on is a joke, 17000 tonnes is more appropriate (the size of a WW2 heavy cruiser)... don't get me started on the mass of dreadnoughts that Kerberos gives, those numbers are even more funny.

The official length of a human cruiser is 90m and weighing in at about 17 tonnes... is this reasonable based on sketches and scale of the ship?!?

And... of course... this is not important other than for RP when you play... if even then...

Indeed. I have always assumed that when you scale up by a factor of 3, it would be about 3x3x3 in real "size"; that is to say, volume and mass of the vessel. Well, not everything is scaled by 3, so perhaps 15-25 is more appropriate, depending on the vessel and race.

Actually, it's possible that the larger vessels may be more than 30x heavier than their lighter equals - perhaps they would need a more dense superstructure and armor to support them.


Edit:

I'd say that the large turret is roughly the size of a WWII battleship turret as are the triple mounts.




Reference from game:

A Battle Bridge/War/Node Pathing AM cruiser has a mass of 19,400 kg. I assume they mean metric tones. It has a capacity for 80 crew, of which I have used 78.
My AI Command/War/Node Pathing AM dreadnought has a mass of 93,500 kg (lol) or less than 5x as much. It has 226 crew at max, of which I have used 223.

I assume that they mean tons. To be honest, I am not sure that basing this off of naval cruisers is realistic. Would spacecraft be heavier or lighter than a typical naval craft?