Exact inheritance rules

[Merrivale]

I spent awhile looking around for the exact rules of inheritance across realms and couldn't find them, so I thought I'd just ask.

My understanding is that the first check is comparing crown authority, if one realm has high crown authority and the other doesn't, the lord moves to the high crown authority realm.
The next check is realm, so a count of an independent duke who inherits a county in a kingdom will leave for the kingdom, regardless of the crown authority of the kingdom.
The next check is the inheritance type: a lord will always move to the higher title, so a count will move to take a duke title even if both realms have high crown authority.
If none of these conditions can be filled, if you have two high crown authority realms where the lord would not be improving his title, he is skipped in the succession, keeping his current title and losing his claim to the other one.

Is this right? And is it correct that an unlanded member of your dynasty will leave your realm for a title in another realm, regardless of crown authority, or will he bring the title into your realm if the other realm doesn't have high crown authority?

 

[grisamentum]

An unlanded member of your dynasty will leave your realm for a title in another realm. In fact, he'll even leave for his new wife's title in another realm. (ie, your unlanded son marries the duchess of toscana. He will leave to go hang out in toscana while he's the "duke" consort. However, he'll come back upon inheriting his duchy/kingdom.)

 

[unmerged(82381)]

An unlanded member of your dynasty will leave your realm for a title in another realm. In fact, he'll even leave for his new wife's title in another realm. (ie, your unlanded son marries the duchess of toscana. He will leave to go hang out in toscana while he's the "duke" consort. However, he'll come back upon inheriting his duchy/kingdom.)

If she doesn't make him heir to a bishopric first. Thereby removing him from the inheritance. My understanding is that this happens a lot

 

[Calbrenar]

That's why you grant them a county/barony first.

 

[Count Coleman]

If you grant the barony while they are betrothed, does the title keep them in the realm while the wife goes to the duchy?

 

[bradleygardner]

If you grant your child land you lose control of their marriage. They will still follow the betrothal, but often they will accept a matrilineal marriage, particularly if it is a duchess/count marriage.

 

[Zarine]

There are part of it true and other not...

When a title need to be inherited (the holder died). It will check the succession law and the crown authority to find the correct heir.
If the crown authority is high or absolute, anyone outside the realm will be out of the succession line.

After that, if the title the heir get is higher than his current title, he will have the same liege as the liege of the title he just got.
So count A, under duke B get a duke title which is under king C (before the death of the holder), will be king C vassal.


It might be possible that if the inheritance make the character become vassal of the king making the title stay inside the realm he won't be thrown away by high CA, but I'm not sure at all about that.

 

[Merrivale]

There are part of it true and other not...

When a title need to be inherited (the holder died). It will check the succession law and the crown authority to find the correct heir.
If the crown authority is high or absolute, anyone outside the realm will be out of the succession line.

After that, if the title the heir get is higher than his current title, he will have the same liege as the liege of the title he just got.
So count A, under duke B get a duke title which is under king C (before the death of the holder), will be king C vassal.


It might be possible that if the inheritance make the character become vassal of the king making the title stay inside the realm he won't be thrown away by high CA, but I'm not sure at all about that.

Part of what prompted this is that I lost a county from my high crown authority realm (Kingdom of Navarre that including Brittany) to a max authority England (without a warning from the interface incidentally). My uncle was a count in my realm and first in line for a county and duchy in Norman-held England. It appeared that he took his county out of my realm and into England and promptly revolted, making both places independent. I had to race England to retake my county from him before they crushed him and I lost it entirely. So high crown authority didn't protect me in this case and I wanted to find out why.

 

[Merrivale]

Bumping this to see if anyone knows the answers here, incidentally it looks like I wasn't clear enough: I'm asking about vassals leaving the realm and taking their land with them, not if they physically stay at your court or not.

I do love Paradox games, but they always require tons of forum time to figure out how things work.

 

[Wezqu]

If your vassals tittle is inherited by a ruler in different realm it becomes part of that realm. Its just that simple. High crown authority prevents people outside of the realm to inherit your realms tittles so they can't leave your kingdom by inheritance.

 

[Merrivale]

If your vassals tittle is inherited by a ruler in different realm it becomes part of that realm. Its just that simple. High crown authority prevents people outside of the realm to inherit your realms tittles so they can't leave your kingdom by inheritance.

But it's not that simple, for the reasons I laid out in my first post and subsequent example. I had a high crown authority kingdom and I still lost the county. Not to mention the myriad of complicated inheritance posts that you see here. There is clearly some sort of decision tree going on here and I really wish that a Paradox dev would lay out it in some sort of stickied post. Or did I encounter a bug?

 

[Yxklyx]

I spent awhile looking around for the exact rules of inheritance across realms and couldn't find them, so I thought I'd just ask.

My understanding is that the first check is comparing crown authority, if one realm has high crown authority and the other doesn't, the lord moves to the high crown authority realm.
The next check is realm, so a count of an independent duke who inherits a county in a kingdom will leave for the kingdom, regardless of the crown authority of the kingdom.
The next check is the inheritance type: a lord will always move to the higher title, so a count will move to take a duke title even if both realms have high crown authority.
If none of these conditions can be filled, if you have two high crown authority realms where the lord would not be improving his title, he is skipped in the succession, keeping his current title and losing his claim to the other one.

Is this right? And is it correct that an unlanded member of your dynasty will leave your realm for a title in another realm, regardless of crown authority, or will he bring the title into your realm if the other realm doesn't have high crown authority?

So where did you learn about these checks? I've never heard of check #1. It takes precedence over #2 and #3?

In the example you cited it would appear that the foreign realm's absolute CA trumped your high CA - perhaps by a more fleshed out check #1.

I believe I've seen check #2 occur in the case of 2 barons each in different realms and each set to inherit from each other. The baron stayed in my Empire instead of moving to the Kingdom when the baron in the Kingdom died - even though there was an alert.

I suspect that the inheritance alert is buggy so cannot be always trusted.

 

[icon41gimp]

But it's not that simple, for the reasons I laid out in my first post and subsequent example. I had a high crown authority kingdom and I still lost the county. Not to mention the myriad of complicated inheritance posts that you see here. There is clearly some sort of decision tree going on here and I really wish that a Paradox dev would lay out it in some sort of stickied post. Or did I encounter a bug?

I think the situation you described can occur based on when crown authority was raised. If this uncle was already in line to inherit before crown authority was raised to high, then he will still remain first in line.