It seems the game won't be out for a while so we should just all calm down and wait.
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Everyone can just sit back relax and wait patiently
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Yes, with HOI4 not coming out in Q1, it is possible Stellaris can get release by Q3/4 or even push back to 2017
To be fair that Stardock rumor said Half 1 and not Q1 so there's a sliver of hope left for those who believe the rumor, though I still believe that rumor isn't true.
Spend 12 hours under the brutal hand of a Romulan guard and you will soon learn patience.
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Why would anyone want either of those games to come out in Q1?
Think.
They're still both in alpha as of today. This means that, allowing for the gap between a game going gold and release and a few more weeks in alpha, that would mean they were released after a one month beta test. One. Month.
That's not remotely long enough for a AAA game, let alone games with this level of complexity.
Let me tell you about some of the things that might happen if Stellaris were released on March 31st:
Think. If this game comes out in Q1, it'll be a disaster for everyone concerned. For the fans who have a shitty game. For PDS as a company who'll take a massive hit to their reputation and the stock of good will they've built up over the years. For the development team themselves who get experience their work, on what is quite obviously a labour of love, of the past few years shat on and having to interact with 1000s of irate fans calling them incompetent, or con-men, or worse simply for want of a few months more development. Like those poor buggers at Creative Assembly after Rome 2.
It can't possibly go from "alpha" to "release-version" inside 3 months and meet any kind of remotely acceptable quality standards. I absolutely do not want to see this game in Q1. Or even Q2, unless it's very late Q2. And I'm sure PDS, with their increasingly unfashionable (in this scumbag industry, anyway) "giving a fuck about the quality of their work" policy, won't allow it to happen either. They aren't fucking Ubisoft.
The average beta test is usually about 4 months. I don't know how PDS does things*, but that's good ball park. That means Hearts of Iron 4 will probably be out some time in the middle of the year. May, June, Julyish. Assuming no further delays. With Stellaris still not close to beta and the statements about a gap of a few months between releases that means Stellaris is probably coming out early-mid Q3, with August or September likely and July a remote possibility.
Which is a good thing! 8 months or so more development is a good thing!
I will always, always, respect developers who delay their games. In fact, you know what? If they delay Stellaris I'll go buy some random piece of EU4 DLC just to say "hey, keep it up guys", because it's nice to see someone in this absolute, disgraceful joke of an industry who can even spell "Quality Assurance". Let alone understand what it means. Let alone actually practice it.
That was longer than I intended. Forgive me, but this particular topic is a pet peeve of mine.
* some things some companies do in the "alpha" phase might be done by another in "beta": these terms have quite vague definitions so the actual length of what one developer calls a beta and another could very dramatically; and that doesn't matter as long as the same work is done and the same quality standards met
Think.
They're still both in alpha as of today. This means that, allowing for the gap between a game going gold and release and a few more weeks in alpha, that would mean they were released after a one month beta test. One. Month.
That's not remotely long enough for a AAA game, let alone games with this level of complexity.
Let me tell you about some of the things that might happen if Stellaris were released on March 31st:
- Rigs well above the minimum system requirements getting like 15fps
- Rigs well above the minimum system requirements dropping to 5fps or below when you perform certain specific actions such as loading the system view or looking at certain screens
- Hideously downgraded graphics that look nothing like the screenshots because the game won't run at all at those settings and there wasn't time to optimise
- AI that just sits around not doing much
- random CTDs
- non-random CTDs that happen when you perform certain UI actions
- factions are in the game, but never do anything, like rebel
- game systems like fallen empires or late game disasters either cut completely or not working as intended; late game disasters that never fire or fire too often or only that one robot rebellion event they've talked about. Fallen empires that act like normal empires because there wasn't time to finish up their AI.
- Events all have boring consequences like "gain/lose 10 minerals" because there wasn't time to fully flesh out and balance anything more complex
- Broken or horribly skewed game balance, some strategies simply outright better than others and playing the game any other way is a complete waste of time
Think. If this game comes out in Q1, it'll be a disaster for everyone concerned. For the fans who have a shitty game. For PDS as a company who'll take a massive hit to their reputation and the stock of good will they've built up over the years. For the development team themselves who get experience their work, on what is quite obviously a labour of love, of the past few years shat on and having to interact with 1000s of irate fans calling them incompetent, or con-men, or worse simply for want of a few months more development. Like those poor buggers at Creative Assembly after Rome 2.
It can't possibly go from "alpha" to "release-version" inside 3 months and meet any kind of remotely acceptable quality standards. I absolutely do not want to see this game in Q1. Or even Q2, unless it's very late Q2. And I'm sure PDS, with their increasingly unfashionable (in this scumbag industry, anyway) "giving a fuck about the quality of their work" policy, won't allow it to happen either. They aren't fucking Ubisoft.
The average beta test is usually about 4 months. I don't know how PDS does things*, but that's good ball park. That means Hearts of Iron 4 will probably be out some time in the middle of the year. May, June, Julyish. Assuming no further delays. With Stellaris still not close to beta and the statements about a gap of a few months between releases that means Stellaris is probably coming out early-mid Q3, with August or September likely and July a remote possibility.
Which is a good thing! 8 months or so more development is a good thing!
I will always, always, respect developers who delay their games. In fact, you know what? If they delay Stellaris I'll go buy some random piece of EU4 DLC just to say "hey, keep it up guys", because it's nice to see someone in this absolute, disgraceful joke of an industry who can even spell "Quality Assurance". Let alone understand what it means. Let alone actually practice it.
That was longer than I intended. Forgive me, but this particular topic is a pet peeve of mine.
* some things some companies do in the "alpha" phase might be done by another in "beta": these terms have quite vague definitions so the actual length of what one developer calls a beta and another could very dramatically; and that doesn't matter as long as the same work is done and the same quality standards met
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The thing is, people want to believe.
I don't blame em, but the reality is that waiting for a game is good. Finishing a game is good. Even if it means we have to wait until Q3 or even 2017.
I don't blame em, but the reality is that waiting for a game is good. Finishing a game is good. Even if it means we have to wait until Q3 or even 2017.
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Yes. I want to play the game too or else I wouldn't be here. But I also know what will happen if the game is released in the kind of time scale some people are talking about.
I'd almost rather the game was cancelled than see it end up like Rome 2 or whatever the last Assassin's Creed fiasco was.
Letting them go by their own pace is going to be what's best...and trusting weird news sources on a release date rather than just waiting for P'dox to give us the release date themselves just isn't the way to go.
Every game they've produced, for me, has been fantastic and I expect Stellaris to the best one yet. (The only one I haven't ever gotten into is HoI and I think I'm just too big a stupido for that one.) I mean, you can look at my little avatar thing to see how much of their content I've eaten up.
Speaking as someone who buys nearly everything this studio puts out, I will wait literally as long as possible for it to be a completed product.
Every game they've produced, for me, has been fantastic and I expect Stellaris to the best one yet. (The only one I haven't ever gotten into is HoI and I think I'm just too big a stupido for that one.) I mean, you can look at my little avatar thing to see how much of their content I've eaten up.
Speaking as someone who buys nearly everything this studio puts out, I will wait literally as long as possible for it to be a completed product.
Speaking of Assasin's Creed, that's why Ubisoft is giving the next one, supposedly set in ancient Egypt, a year off instead of it being annualized like the last 4 or so Assassin's Creeds.
Yeah. Steam refunds are a glorious thing. "What's this? We've got to actually finish our stuff before we release it now? Awwww...."
Syndicate was actually OK - technically anyway, certainly nowhere near the disaster that was Unity. It was still same old same old though. Maybe an year off will let them flesh out some more innovative mechanics - maybe. Ubi gets a lot of shit (most of it deserved), but its not like they can't do it - I've played R6:Siege and it's easily the most unique AAA shooter of 2015.
As for Paradox's releases - as much as it hurts, I'd rather see them delayed too, Stellaris will be amazing if it lives up to the reveal/diaries - I'd rather see Stellaris first over HoI4 since for me at least theres still plenty of mileage to be had out of the likes of BICE, but both will be nice to see.
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But.. but... SPACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Eh i dont mind waiting as long as it is not delay after delay after delay.
Eh i dont mind waiting as long as it is not delay after delay after delay.
You, sir, have no idea whether I am capable of that or not!
*Spoiler: I'm not.
I want to know how much time there will be between Hearts of Iron IV and Stellaris.
I always imagine 1Q but does somebody think it could be less time?
I always imagine 1Q but does somebody think it could be less time?
Could be less, could be more, but I tend to find it pretty unlikely that both will be ready for release near-simultaneously as seems to be the current assumption. It's super hard to time these sort of things with an "it's done when it's done and we're not pushing it out before then" policy, and both could still encounter bumps and delays. The perception currently is that HOI is further along, but also more likely to hit some bumps. I'm not sure if either of those perceptions is accurate or particularly fair, but I am sure they are coming from folks who are speculating rather than any kind of source within Paradox.
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