Every game: Castille conquers Morocco?

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While i won't say I've ever seen this particular event to happen, I've definitely seen even more outlandish land invasion to happen, so i definitely believe in you here.

The consequence of this is usually that Granada gets a bit more land and then never goes away. I've seen them even end up colonising in the Caribbean. I think it depends on if Castile ends up rivalling the Ottomans.
 

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I have seen Granada survive long enough to get a couple colonies that it remains in after it is removed from Europe. But that is rare. I have seen Morocco taking land in Iberia far more often, but still rarely. Heck, my last game had multiple independent Irish minors in the 1700s (not released the English never conquered them despite them not having any threatening allies). Weird stuff happens and that is a good thing, the one time I saw Scotland for Great Britain or the Knights conquering Anatolia (without my interfering) was cool, so long as it is rare.
 
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I have seen Granada survive long enough to get a couple colonies that it remains in after it is removed from Europe. But that is rare. I have seen Morocco taking land in Iberia far more often, but still rarely. Heck, my last game had multiple independent Irish minors in the 1700s (not released the English never conquered them despite them not having any threatening allies). Weird stuff happens and that is a good thing, the one time I saw Scotland for Great Britain or the Knights conquering Anatolia (without my interfering) was cool, so long as it is rare.

GB gets a claim on Cyprus iirc and I've never seen them get it in game. I don't mind this stuff either if it's rare.
 

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Daily reminder that Castile gets a whopping +15% Land Morale for conquering the North Moroccan coast (Doesn't help the fact they get claims on North Africa after taking Granada, which usually happens by 1455)
This means that after the first war, a Castilian victory over Morocco tips the balance irreversibly in Castile's favour (which already starts the game stronger and will snowball into far stronger) and leads to an innevitable Yellow North Africa.

Historically Castile literally only conquered Melilla from Morocco (during this game's timeframe) in 1497, and according to the treaty of Tordesillas, Morocco was entirely under the Portuguese sphere of influence and claimed by Portugal (The Conquest of Melilla happened before Tordesillas was officialized by the Pope, in 1505), so really the conflict should be exclusively between Portugal and Morocco (Which is a far more balanced conflict), like it was historically, Castile shouldn't be able to get claims via mission there so easily, if at all.

Its actually weird how Castile's missions are far more geared towards a conquest of Morocco than Portugal's, and far more rewarding as well, despite the conquest of Morocco being an exclusively Portuguese ambition (and partial reality).
GB gets a claim on Cyprus iirc and I've never seen them get it in game. I don't mind this stuff either if it's rare.
The claim on Cyprus requires Gibraltar which the AI will never get
 

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The claim on Cyprus requires Gibraltar which the AI will never get

Well, I was thinking this morning how the Ottomans and Portugal went to war in India over control of Diu and trading access, and how such a war would never be replicated in EU4.

In EU4 wars are almost always large scale affairs with one nation's capital fort being sieged. It would be nice if there were a greater diversity of wars and their effects. The idea of the AI sieging down a strategic coastal fort and nothing else is totally alien.
 
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Well, I was thinking this morning how the Ottomans and Portugal went to war in India over control of Diu and trading access, and how such a war would never be replicated in EU4.

In EU4 wars are almost always large scale affairs with one nation's capital fort being sieged. It would be nice if there were a greater diversity of wars and their effects. The idea of the AI sieging down a strategic coastal fort and nothing else is totally alien.
Diu was not just ottoman Portuguese but also with the sultanate of gujarat. Eu4 with trade steering has the wealth of the mamlukes decline with the spice trade redirecting but embargoes aren't nearly as costly as they were irl
 
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Diu was not just ottoman Portuguese but also with the sultanate of gujarat. Eu4 with trade steering has the wealth of the mamlukes decline with the spice trade redirecting but embargoes aren't nearly as costly as they were irl

Well, this is exactly what I was thinking. If a country embargoes me I largely ignore it and don't see the point in waging a trade dispute war because the costs of the war seemingly far outweigh the costs of being embargoed.
 
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Well, this is exactly what I was thinking. If a country embargoes me I largely ignore it and don't see the point in waging a trade dispute war because the costs of the war seemingly far outweigh the costs of being embargoed.
If you had a reason to have fingers in many pies (trade nodes) rather than bigging up your home node then we might see these more expansive ones, as whilst you can take Gibraltar to aid with your medittarean trade as Britain, the number of trade nodes you'd need to push back via isn't worth it, when you could instead protect trade in English Channel against Holland
 

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To answer OP's Question = NO
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