Events that did happen that rarely or never happen in game

[beegee84]

Hi I'm just creating this as a request thread

There are a few major things in history that either never happen or rarely happen in game I'm going to list a few that I feel would improve the game feel free to add

Create an event for Austria seeding Flanders to Spain. Austria almost always holds it throughout games it creates ugly unacurate borders gore



Give the ottomans a mission early on to attack Hungary I rarely see them do this so there never really a threat to Europe. They should be Austrias biggest threat by creating a real threat to the east prussia might appear more often

Find a way to make Austrian inheritance of bohemia more likely, I've played over 1000 hours and only seen the Ai do this once

The same again for Austrias inheritance of Hungary. Creating a mission for the ottomans to attack Hungary might fix this

Over the years there's been some major improvements to the game in terms of historical events like the burgundian inheritance, castile inheritance of aragon/naples, the unification of Poland Lithuania

Make Austrias role more historic please I've become sick of seeing the Austria/Venice/Flanders snake that never feels threatened by the ottomans

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Historical events without their historical causality are not historical.

 

[puddingkip]

The Iberian union (spain+portugal) happens very little as the event has a very bad mtth.

By the way Otto does have a mission on Hungary.

And about the Austrian/Spanish Netherlands you a reply just wrong. It changed hands between the Austrians and Spaniards several times. Maximillian von Habsburg, duke of Austria inherited the Burgundian lands, and it then passed through his heirs until Charles V. Charles V divided his empire between Spain and Austria, with the Netherlands going to Spain. However after the Spanish succession war they are given back to Austria. Spanish Netherlands was an incredibly unlikely turn of events, which likely only happened because there was no good Habsburg to create an independent Kingdom of the Netherlands during the Habsburg empire divide. And then there was far too much conflict with the reformation, Dutch war for independence and France

 

[Trin Tragula]

My favorite DHEs are those that make you face the stuff that was going on in your country of region before the game started. It's not the only sort we have or even the only ones we add but it's a lot easier to both design and justify such events.
The handover of the Low Countries are hard to see without a personal union between Spain and Austria IMO, I can't say it will never happen but in my mind the heightened chance of Spain getting the Burgundian inheritance in general fill the niche of providing a Spain in control of that area in a good number of games.
I also must disagree that Austrian Netherlands are any gorier than Spanish. If there's one place where border gore feels natural to me it's in the HRE.

If you have specific ideas for DHEs either thematically or in detail the suggestions forum is a great place to expand on them.
Devs are reading and the game certainly gets new material regularly

 

[Mortheim]

If you have specific ideas for DHEs either thematically or in detail the suggestions forum is a great place to expand on them.
Devs are reading and the game certainly gets new material regularly

Will you fix unholy alliance between Russia and Ottomans? It was never possible in EU4 time period, because of religion (someone conquered Constantinople) and Crimea (it had interests in previously GH and Kazan lands).

 

[beegee84]

My favorite DHEs are those that make you face the stuff that was going on in your country of region before the game started. It's not the only sort we have or even the only ones we add but it's a lot easier to both design and justify such events.
The handover of the Low Countries are hard to see without a personal union between Spain and Austria IMO, I can't say it will never happen but in my mind the heightened chance of Spain getting the Burgundian inheritance in general fill the niche of providing a Spain in control of that area in a good number of games.
I also must disagree that Austrian Netherlands are any gorier than Spanish. If there's one place where border gore feels natural to me it's in the HRE.

If you have specific ideas for DHEs either thematically or in detail the suggestions forum is a great place to expand on them.
Devs are reading and the game certainly gets new material regularly

I was thinking a lot about how Austria handing Netherlands to Spain could happen and as you say above it would probably have to include a personal union between Austria and Spain maybe one that was unique where annexing the junior partner is impossible, where the junior partner can declare it's own offensive wars and call or not call in junior/senior partner to wars. And permanent calls for defensive wars

 

[beegee84]

The Iberian union (spain+portugal) happens very little as the event has a very bad mtth.

By the way Otto does have a mission on Hungary.

And about the Austrian/Spanish Netherlands you a reply just wrong. It changed hands between the Austrians and Spaniards several times. Maximillian von Habsburg, duke of Austria inherited the Burgundian lands, and it then passed through his heirs until Charles V. Charles V divided his empire between Spain and Austria, with the Netherlands going to Spain. However after the Spanish succession war they are given back to Austria. Spanish Netherlands was an incredibly unlikely turn of events, which likely only happened because there was no good Habsburg to create an independent Kingdom of the Netherlands during the Habsburg empire divide. And then there was far too much conflict with the reformation, Dutch war for independence and France

The ottomans have a mission for Hungary when was that added? They didn't used to

 

[beegee84]

The ottomans main threats should be a strong Austria/bohemia/Hungary union Russia and Persia

 

[net.split]

The Ottoman's main threats should be whatever nations win the regional battles in the surrounding territories.

Not a pre-determined set of countries and/or unions that don't even exist in 1444 when we begin to (intentionally!) diverge from historical outcomes.

 

[hashinshin]

Trin there is one event that I'd REALLY like turned in to a decision:

The persian event that rebuilds persia and gives you something like 31 dev. It's on a 4 year MTTH and you have to be at peace. It can be very frustrating when it takes 8+ years to fire and you have to sit there twiddling your thumbs while the Ottos eat everything around you.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The most babied nation itself might be worth a look. It's certainly amusing to see Ottomans guaranteeing Persia, with ~4x Persia's force limit, when Persia has more than all of their starting cores and Ottomans barely have Cairo, but that's a little off in my mind. Regardless of who's holding down Iranian territory, they're pretty unimpressive right now, while Ottomans have no trouble allying crap like Russia or Ming. It does tend to mire that area of the world down when you have French-Otto alliance in 1450 into Otto-Russian hugbox from 1500-1650 type stuff.

 

[LS22]

The Iberian union (spain+portugal) happens very little as the event has a very bad mtth.

By the way Otto does have a mission on Hungary.

And about the Austrian/Spanish Netherlands you a reply just wrong. It changed hands between the Austrians and Spaniards several times. Maximillian von Habsburg, duke of Austria inherited the Burgundian lands, and it then passed through his heirs until Charles V. Charles V divided his empire between Spain and Austria, with the Netherlands going to Spain. However after the Spanish succession war they are given back to Austria. Spanish Netherlands was an incredibly unlikely turn of events, which likely only happened because there was no good Habsburg to create an independent Kingdom of the Netherlands during the Habsburg empire divide. And then there was far too much conflict with the reformation, Dutch war for independence and France

The portuguese-spanish union was due to the portuguese king dying in battle against Morocco. How often did kings died in battle in eu4's timeframe?

 

[beegee84]

Yes I agree rather than nerfing ottomans make Persia more of a threat give them development events and make Austria stronger by making it more likely for them to get there historic unions

 

[TheBoozehammer]

The only thing I really think we need to see more of is Mughals forming.

 

[JKiller96]

My favorite DHEs are those that make you face the stuff that was going on in your country of region before the game started. It's not the only sort we have or even the only ones we add but it's a lot easier to both design and justify such events.
The handover of the Low Countries are hard to see without a personal union between Spain and Austria IMO, I can't say it will never happen but in my mind the heightened chance of Spain getting the Burgundian inheritance in general fill the niche of providing a Spain in control of that area in a good number of games.
I also must disagree that Austrian Netherlands are any gorier than Spanish. If there's one place where border gore feels natural to me it's in the HRE.

If you have specific ideas for DHEs either thematically or in detail the suggestions forum is a great place to expand on them.
Devs are reading and the game certainly gets new material regularly

Trin please take a look at the Philipine nations that are in the game but never exist, could we get Tondo at the start and DHE's for Maguindanao (Already a tag in game), and Lanao (also an existing tag) that would be amazing @Trin Tragula

 

[beegee84]

Yea mughal almost never form unless player controlled

 

[Susanna]

I don't think I have ever seen the AI form Mughals.

 

[Silverflash]

The only thing I really think we need to see more of is Mughals forming.

I'd disagree with this. The Mughals forming was the result of a series of quite extraordinary events, and it should be exceedingly rare that it happens.

I've often wished that there was a proper "Rise of the Mughals" start date and world state to begin the game with. Basically this should start the player off as Babur, a general and king on par with Mehmet II, at the head of an exiled army, with claims on Ferghana and Kabul but ownership of neither and a mission to take Delhi.

What Babur did was quite stunning, and the impact of the Mughals on the subcontinent was large enough to deserve it's own start date, IMHO.

 

[grommile]

Yes I agree rather than nerfing ottomans make Persia more of a threat give them development events and make Austria stronger by making it more likely for them to get there historic unions

For Iran to be a threat, it first has to form.

 

[lecobra92]

The Mughals were the remnants of a broken house that achieved what they did because of crippling internal conflicts within the northern sultanates and Rajput kingdoms and were also lucky enough to have scions such as Babur and Akbar to unify and stabilize their realms. Even then, Akbar himself was almost always at war with external or internal threats trying to keep it all nailed down. Aurungzeb while getting a bad rep for his less tolerant policies did the same.

It should be very difficult for the AI to do for Mughals anything resembling the historical pattern because like the Qing conquest of China several independent variables came together to provide them with an opening they could exploit. Their military backbone, at least at first, was built on Afghani and other Central Asian warrior tribes fighting for them out of kinship and promises of gold; when that dried up the Afghanis themselves attacked the Mughals.

Honestly the mechanics are already in place for much of this to occur; a revolted Mughals tag that could pull some swanky diplomacy creating shared rivals with same culture group Afghani kingdoms amongst the North Indian kingdoms netting them some cheap condotierri to conquer the divided Gangetic plain. All of what i just mentioned are present in the game btw. A stable northern India with well entrenched states should prevent this and Babur should spend much of his life waiting for the diplomatic opening he needed just like in real life.

If people really want them to form more often then there should be almost the Burgundian Inheritance in reverse* with the Timurids splitting into the Mughals who have the god ruler Babur during the relevant time frame. But that's too much railroading for my tastes tbh.

*I say the Burgundian Inheritance in reverse because instead of eliminating a state for the benefit of others you are creating a state at the expense of others.