Events occur upon reload

[unmerged(33119)]

Hi everyone,

I've been playing HOI for quite a while, finally got around to signing up for the forums.

One thing that's been buggin me for some time is many times, events will occur when I reload a saved game. They also happen while playing, but I do get them when I reload. Is this normal, or am I missing these events unless I reload frequently.

 

[J.J.E.]

It's because the game checks all triggers when starting up, and thus many events are triggered upon reload. Nothing to do about that.


Welcome to the forums btw!

 

[unmerged(5205)]

That can get really annoying when the lend-lease keeps firing for the Soviets and they end up with an insane amount of ICs in Irkutsk

 

[wwater]

That can get really annoying when the lend-lease keeps firing for the Soviets and they end up with an insane amount of ICs in Irkutsk

I agree, I had the same problem for me with CORE. But what I normally do is that I let Russia fight the Soviet Union and that way it won`t matter much. That is with CORE, not vanilla HoI.

Of course, if you were to annex the Soviet Union, you would benefit greatly from it anyway. See it as those Yankees investing in your future.

 

[unmerged(33119)]

Thanks for replies, guys.

So I guess there are probably many events that we miss out on if we don't reload frequently?

 

[unmerged(14249)]

So I guess there are probably many events that we miss out on if we don't reload frequently?

You misunderstand. Recurring events like Lend Lease are checked about every 30 days and there is a random chance that they will trigger when checked. When you reload, you are resetting this periodic check. The more often you reload, the more often the event will get a chance to happen. If you only reload once a year then this won't make a big difference - you shouldn't miss any events and the annual reset won't change the expected number of occurences much. But if you reload once a week, say, then you'll be multiplying the chances of a monthly periodic event triggering by about four and so that would make a big difference. Reload as little as possible.

Andrew

 

[unmerged(8319)]

That can get really annoying when the lend-lease keeps firing for the Soviets and they end up with an insane amount of ICs in Irkutsk

That's on the positive side, though.

In my soviet game, I keep getting the purging event, which is more than annoying. I cannot take 10% dissent hit each time ofc. so I guess I'll be running a leader-less nation in the long run? It must have happened about 6 times by now (early 1938) so I gater I lost about 50 leaders. Some of them were really good. :wacko:

Oh, and before aomeone asks: this IS 1.06c. The multiple events bug was supposed to be corrected here...

 

[unmerged(14249)]

In my soviet game, I keep getting the purging event, which is more than annoying. I cannot take 10% dissent hit each time ofc. so I guess I'll be running a leader-less nation in the long run? It must have happened about 6 times by now (early 1938) so I gater I lost about 50 leaders. Some of them were really good. :wacko:

Oh, and before aomeone asks: this IS 1.06c. The multiple events bug was supposed to be corrected here...

There are four purge events scheduled for 1937: March, June, August and November. They have identical texts and so will be appear the same. This is only a bug if they happen more than this. Even then, you should tolerate this as there was really no limit to Stalin's savagery and paranoia.

As I read the code, the 10% dissent only happens if the leaders are not executed in a purge. I.e. if Stalin is soft, then his people rebel. Is that not what happens to you?

Andrew

 

[unmerged(10750)]

Reload as little as possible.

Of course, not reloading causes the AI to fall asleep and become very passive, ruining gameplay. I swear by reloading often (about every 45-60 days game time)

If a bunch of events trigger upon reload, I just reload again.

 

[J.J.E.]

As I read the code, the 10% dissent only happens if the leaders are not executed in a purge. I.e. if Stalin is soft, then his people rebel. Is that not what happens to you?

He probably chooses option b, yes, which gives a dissent hit. No need though, since the USSR has tonnes of leaders, it is easy to "let some of them go..."

Only choose option b if generals like Rokossovsky or Zhukov are among the purged generals.

 

[unmerged(5205)]

I agree, I had the same problem for me with CORE. But what I normally do is that I let Russia fight the Soviet Union and that way it won`t matter much. That is with CORE, not vanilla HoI.

Of course, if you were to annex the Soviet Union, you would benefit greatly from it anyway. See it as those Yankees investing in your future.

Well, I never liberate Russia, I go for outright annexation of the Soviets

 

[cdat]

Don't feel bad. My last game as Germany, I just annexed Poland and was halfway through France when my wife DEMANDED I show her half the interest I showed the game. Well, after that little waste of time and she was sleeping, I snuck back to the game and loaded up and BEHOLD! The Russians and her Allies joined in the war against me! This happened with no DoW that I know of. Before save, war with allies. After reload, war with everyone but the US, who joined shortly after since I was at war with most of the rest of the world and the time was 1939!!!!! All my troops were on the western side of Europe with a token defending force in Poland. Luckily the Commies and the Yanks were not prepared for war so it was a minor setback.

 

[unmerged(8319)]

There are four purge events scheduled for 1937: March, June, August and November. They have identical texts and so will be appear the same. This is only a bug if they happen more than this. Even then, you should tolerate this as there was really no limit to Stalin's savagery and paranoia.

As I read the code, the 10% dissent only happens if the leaders are not executed in a purge. I.e. if Stalin is soft, then his people rebel. Is that not what happens to you?

Andrew

Yes. So I have the choice of loosing 6 or 7 leaders eachtime or take 10% dissent hit each time. I'm now in 1938 so it's becoming quite a bitch.

This is my first SU game in this version though (which is btw. 1.06b - not 1.06c as I said above) so I'm not aware if the leader selection is random or coded? But loosing FM Timoshenko was certainly a big minus.

 

[unmerged(14249)]

Yes. So I have the choice of loosing 6 or 7 leaders each time or take 10% dissent hit each time. I'm now in 1938 so it's becoming quite a bitch.

Historically, the purges killed 3 out of 5 Marshals; 75 out of 85 corps commanders; and 110 out of 195 divisional commanders. If you've only lost ~40 leaders then you've got off lightly.

And that's just the generals. About 45% of the entire officer corps was purged: 35,000 officers. And millions of the general population were purged too.

Having considered the matter, I think I'll lobby to make the purges more severe in HoI 2. This will weaken the Soviet Union and that will be good for game balance ...

Andrew

 

[unmerged(5205)]

Yes. So I have the choice of loosing 6 or 7 leaders eachtime or take 10% dissent hit each time. I'm now in 1938 so it's becoming quite a bitch.

This is my first SU game in this version though (which is btw. 1.06b - not 1.06c as I said above) so I'm not aware if the leader selection is random or coded? But loosing FM Timoshenko was certainly a big minus.

I think maybe it's coded to purge the least loyal officers but I'm not sure

 

[J.J.E.]

I think maybe it's coded to purge the least loyal officers but I'm not sure

It is coded to do that. Just too bad the human player can't see who is disloyal before the purges begin.

 

[JRaup]

I think maybe it's coded to purge the least loyal officers but I'm not sure

In each purge event, 1/2 of the leaders to be slept are of the loyest loyalty. Teh other half are random, to simulate Stalin's ever changing whims.