Evacuation and trofees

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As we know, the main part of soviet war factories in Ural region were built with materials and equipment, evacuated from occupied territories. And it was cheaper, than building a totally new factory - they only needed to build a batiment for it and to bring these materials/equipment.
So, can we evacuate and re-build factories?

And, what about equipping newly-formed regiments with trofee arms?

 

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A good idea, but I doubt we'll see it in the game, as the evacuation of factories was only made by the Russians. It would be unrealistic to see the Germans and the French do the same.

By the way, what are trofee arms?

 

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Originally posted by Patriote
A good idea, but I doubt we'll see it in the game, as the evacuation of factories was only made by the Russians. It would be unrealistic to see the Germans and the French do the same.

By the way, what are trofee arms?

IRC Germans dispersed there industrial regions and thus effectivly 'moved' their factories. I think Germany and USSR were the only nations who, historically, had the opportunity. In a game where players can make a new history perhaps it should be a more universal option.

I think destruction (by bombing) and rebuilding of factories would be an important aspect of WWII strategic game. Leaving out factory movement for Mother Russia is a sorta big thing. Its like saying lets not have the A-bomb/strategic rockets/kamikazis cause only the US/GE/JA had it.

 

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Sorry, I mixed up - not trofee, but trophy

 

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So, by trophy arms, you wonder if new troops can be levied using arms captured from the enemy?

 

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I would suggest, if the movement of factories is to be allowed, that it not be limited to Germany and Russia, but to any state. In WWII, only Germany and Russia had the time and, well, motivation to do this. There is no reason to thing that if, say, southern Japan were to come under intense stragegic bombing, the Japanese would not have moved factories north and so on. The only restriction would be time and money.

 

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Re: So, by trophy arms, you wonder if new troops can be levied using arms captured from the enemy?

Yes.

Re: southern Japan were to come under intense stragegic bombing, the Japanese would not have moved factories north and so on

When USAF have begun to heavily bomb the Japan, japans moved their aircraft-building factories to the caverns, hardly acsessible by planes places, and civil objects... But it ruined their industry because of lack of cooperation.

 

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A good idea, but I doubt we'll see it in the game, as the evacuation of factories was only made by the Russians. It would be unrealistic to see the Germans and the French do the same.

The Germans actualy moved the majority of their industry from the Rhurh and into Bohemia to keep out of USAF range..

 

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So the Japanese moved their industry to caves... they are still moving industry. My point is that the Russians and Germans alone are not the only nations that could have utilized this strategy. Sure, no one else did, but perhaps they did not have the time or motivation to do so. I believe this game will be about re-writing and altering history, not merely re-enacting it, thus, if I play Argentina and want to devote the effort to relocating my industry to Patagonia, I should have that option!

 

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I agree with crusin, especially since moving your factories isn't a good idea in itself. It will lead to your industrial production taking a major dive for some time and then probably not coming back up to 100% even. It is a good idea compared to getting it bombed apart. In many ways it already means you are in trouble when you have to move them.... But it definately should be an option open to anyone that want to.

Cobos

 

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Can it be cheaper build a zillion AAA guns than to relocate the factories?
Having steel supply, of course.....

 

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well if i had a zillion AA guns, well heck the war would be over

 

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Maybe not... a zillion AA guns would need at least a zillion soldiers to man them, probably more for a full crew, then the amount of ammo they would consume in a single raid would have to be replaced, requiring not only the industry to produce the ammo, but also a transport system to get the ammo to the AA guns. If your population has been used up manning the AA guns, you'll need to find somebody to make the ammo and drive the trucks and trains to bring the ammo up. Then, when the enemy doesn't attack with aircraft but instead blitzes with their armored divisions, you better hope at least a significant percentage of those AA guns can be used against ground targets!

 

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The evacuation is a good thing, because you don`t loose the factory, situated in nearly-lost province. It only won`t work for 3-5 months or a little more, and you should pay only for a new building for this factory, not for the equipment and personal you already evacuated, maybe alsa a little sum for transporting everything from /exemple/ Ukraine to Ural..