Evacuating of Czechoslovakia forces

[Lolkar]

Hi, just want to know your opinions about this. Czechoslovaks had a plan to evacuate theirs army throught Romania into France. Lets say we manage to get units into Romania and France naval transports pick up the forces(probaly only possible in multiplayer). What would happen if Czechoslovakia gets occupied? Will they be disbanded or they will stay and fight, but they will not get equipment. Is it possible that allies can share equipment? Dont really like that i (Czechoslovakia) could give them as expeditions, for me its not fun.
Also sorry for my english, did not known how to say that.

 

[Swinds]

If Italy was to stay out of the war then I do not see a problem with pulling the Army back to France. I assume the British can transport troops to Singapore which means there will be sea areas where there are no Navel ships. Therefore you France could pull them back if they were given as an Expeditionary forces. Not sure how you would do it otherwise.

The Army would need to re-equip to an extent or they would not have supplies, e.g. bullets

 

[Kovax]

I understand that the evacuation plan proved to be largely unworkable when Hungary moved troops into parts of Ruthenia, complicating the path to Romania. It might still have been carried out on a smaller scale, but not enough to matter in terms of game balance. The game mechanics really don't lend themselves well to transport between other countries if you don't own the transports, which made the highly publicized and popularized Afrika Korps unworkable in previous games. Unless that's been fixed, I don't see a much less "known" event like the Czech evacuation as a likely addition, especially since it didn't happen.

 

[Quendallon]

Maybe if you send your forces as expeditionairy force to France or the UK?
Don't know for sure though.

 

[Lolkar]

I understand that the evacuation plan proved to be largely unworkable when Hungary moved troops into parts of Ruthenia, complicating the path to Romania. It might still have been carried out on a smaller scale, but not enough to matter in terms of game balance. The game mechanics really don't lend themselves well to transport between other countries if you don't own the transports, which made the highly publicized and popularized Afrika Korps unworkable in previous games. Unless that's been fixed, I don't see a much less "known" event like the Czech evacuation as a likely addition, especially since it didn't happen.

I dont mean it as event, it was more like multiplayer option becouse Czechoslovakia is undefendable without eastern minors. And it was an option/plan in 1930s, but off coure it was throwned away.

 

[Commissar Yossarian]

If you formed the faction with France in MP it could work by sending all your army to France as an expeditionary force pre hostilities. Once in France they can be returned to your control and supplied by lend lease. They will take up supply cost from France though.

The only questionable mechanic is how troops are moved as an expeditionary force?

Though if you were in a Faction with France and Yugoslavia already why would you abandon a second front? It's a short link up to Yugoslavia.

Just have the French forces bulldoze Hungry and then you're into the German heartland.

Against the AI this will be too easy, and no human player will be dumb enough to DOW you accidentally or that early so you will have time to prepare for the meat grinder.

The evacuation of Chezc troops only makes sense in a world with France as an allied member, but then Chezc's aren't and so cannot expedition out their army, nor cross neutral territory without transit rights they don't have.

Or I guess you try to join the allies super early if possible, but that implies again beating up on a helpless AI or playing a fairly full MP game in which case the other humans on the axis (Italy, Romania) which are close by will have a much greater impact than CR.

 

[Pyrrha]

OP makes a good suggestion, though. A convoy sharing mechanic (as in a lend-lease) would be a great addition (more so for MP than SP of course). If a player could simply set a given amount of convoys to be used by an ally (who otherwise wouldn't have enough of them, if any) in order for them to evacuate troops or organize naval invasions, we could see some interesting strategies for minors without having them send away their forces in an expedition. (Ireland, for instance, could send a few divisions abroad using British convoys, then giving them back aftewards.)

 

[Lolkar]

If you formed the faction with France in MP it could work by sending all your army to France as an expeditionary force pre hostilities. Once in France they can be returned to your control and supplied by lend lease. They will take up supply cost from France though.

The only questionable mechanic is how troops are moved as an expeditionary force?

Though if you were in a Faction with France and Yugoslavia already why would you abandon a second front? It's a short link up to Yugoslavia.

Just have the French forces bulldoze Hungry and then you're into the German heartland.

Against the AI this will be too easy, and no human player will be dumb enough to DOW you accidentally or that early so you will have time to prepare for the meat grinder.

The evacuation of Chezc troops only makes sense in a world with France as an allied member, but then Chezc's aren't and so cannot expedition out their army, nor cross neutral territory without transit rights they don't have.

Or I guess you try to join the allies super early if possible, but that implies again beating up on a helpless AI or playing a fairly full MP game in which case the other humans on the axis (Italy, Romania) which are close by will have a much greater impact than CR.

We are going to play big MP session where (in Europe) Axis are Germany, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Finland and Belgium. Allies are Czechoslovakia, France, GB, Portugal. Commitern are SU, Romania, Netherlands, Denmark, Greece and Turkey. Neutrals are Spain, Yugoslavia, Norway and Sweden. In this MP session Czechoslovakia have undefendeble position so im looking for other options. U know 30 divisions will take handy in France rather than make casualties to Axis.

 

[Wimpola]

I am pretty sure that the total war mechanics will keep those units in the fight. If you fully conquer a nation you don't just annex them, thou need to do that in the peace screen. Your units should remain alive and kicking as long as they have weapons but you won't get anything to replenish the losses in combat because you have no capital so you have to be careful using your troops.

 

[Augustus93]

I am pretty sure that the total war mechanics will keep those units in the fight. If you fully conquer a nation you don't just annex them, thou need to do that in the peace screen. Your units should remain alive and kicking as long as they have weapons but you won't get anything to replenish the losses in combat because you have no capital so you have to be careful using your troops.

Actually once the nation has been occupied, it loses all its units. No peace deal needed. It happened multiple times in World War Wednesday.

 

[Kubusta]

Just one question close to this topic..- Is it possible to Refuse ceding Sudetenland to Germany when Munchen treaty takes place?

 

[Lolkar]

Just one question close to this topic..- Is it possible to Refuse ceding Sudetenland to Germany when Munchen treaty takes place?

In HOI3 could decline GB, if that happened France will get into war with Germany with Czechoslovakia but GB stays neutral. Czechoslovakia can decline that too and Germany sometimes attack sometimes not (one time they first attacked Poland and France, i waited until they had units elsewhere and attacked them too. I takes Berlin and Germany lost in 1941.

But i believe in HOI4 it will be different, GB still can decline, France could decide themselves and Czechoslovakia too.

Edit: When CS declines they will stay alone and destroy relations with allies/germany. GB with declining lose a lot of relation towards commonwealth and USA.