Don't be sad. I haven't actually done anything but stand by the sidelines snidely talking to myself since...what...May? 
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Hajji Giray I said:Don't be sad. I haven't actually done anything but stand by the sidelines snidely talking to myself since...what...May?
But will you really be able to keep away? Or will you find yourself lurking, lurking, posting the occasional snarky comment, drawn in deeper into the madness....
Or not.
Well, on the plus side, the transplantation of Eutopians to the AAR forum is going quite well.
Heh, I just finished reading most the story. Pretty good stuff! Although it's too bad there is already a Dutch siege engineer...
Hajji Giray I said:
Ah, but who else will I drive to death with a political argument (in my oppinion one of the best arguments in the last couple terms)
Phalanx said:
Unfortunately, it works both ways. I just can't get into the Crusader Chronicles, and I went through and nixed all my AARland subscriptions the other day. It just doesn't float my boat anymore. Maybe one of these days I'll follow LD to Fairyland and try to write something with publication in mind. It might even be a redaction of the FC. (Severely abridged, mind you.
)Hajji, sorry to see you go. Just so you know, if made MDIS, I did (and do) plan to name one of our spiffy new navy ships the Charles Scott Morgan. (There'll also be an Adam Jones Julseau and a Vasco I-Killed_Kenny, in case anyone's wondering.
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Why thank you.The_Hawk said:
*insert snarky comments about what did THEY ever do...then realize you were supposed to have left already...then apologize to Voshkod and explain that you just love being snarky SO DARN MUCH!!! anyways...*(There'll also be an Adam Jones Julseau and a Vasco I-Killed_Kenny, in case anyone's wondering.
P.S. My new title is a reference to a certain literary figure...guess it and win a prize...
Wow...Mel is having a LOT of fun with his Viscount character. He's been everywhere. The spoiler, as it were...he shows up and people get bogged down arguing with him... Are you having as much fun as you SEEM to be having, Mel?
Are you having as much fun as you SEEM to be having, Mel?
Whew...
That was a lot of reading to catch up on!
Okay, let's see where to begin after the 15 NEW pages of OOC forum, not to mention all of the IC posts.
1. "Vote of No Confidence" - This was something discussed that was "left on the cutting room floor". I don't remember the pros and cons of it, but, if there was no game-structure reason for leaving it out, the Transition History was written in such a way (with Gall and Grant) to provide some sort of justification for it. In fact, it was going to be included in the original GRAPPA. If there was IC player interest, and Mel okays it, this could become law.
2. VonStreusser - See? I said don't blow up anything while I'm gone and what happens? Not to rehash the debate which has concluded, but looking ahead:
- The Scuttlebutt is hilarious and perhaps you'd have time/interest to continue it?
- If you need some time off, I can send PJ on a secret mission or something. Time off is fine, just don't leave for good.
3. Hajji - Ditto. Sorry to see you go, if you do go. I know it's tough to rebound from losing Morgan, but it would be great for you to stay around some capacity, if if only as the head hobo of the Hajjite cult!
4. Deaghaidh - Well, perhaps you should restart the Commonality Party? I think there are enough issues in the W.E.T. that if you are unhappy with the direction things have taken, that you could start a lot of your own initiatives.
5. Comments in General about the Elections - Here is something to think about: The UP may be somewhat unlikely, a coalition of former rivals/enemies, united despite a very incohesive, some might say incompatible, spectrum of political beliefs, but who has challenged them?
It sounds like some of the arguments are that there is no Right or Left, only an unbeatable Center. If you feel this way, then you need to work to build a unified party to challenge them, but you should concentrate more on philosophy than an electoral success.
Think about it. A coalition of far-right and far-left would make no sense and would not appeal to voters (GM floating votes), however if you build a strong and articulate party on the left or on the right , it will eventually gain support and attract voters. You may not appear to win the pre-election poll for this term, but you set yourself up as the loyal opposition and can win in the next election.
Look at the old RD, and how long they dominated. Look at the CC and how they won the presidency (again after having to abandon it the first time!).
The Center (MP) came about through some shrewed role playing and trying to unite the left and right against a (real or perceived, depending on what side you were on!) threat from the monarchists.
But the Center can be cleaved if a vital and credible alternative exists to attract votes.
Yes, a lot of game veterans have united for electoral success. Personally, I had hoped this wouldn't happen, that instead they'd form new, competitive parties with veteran leaders in each one. But that's not the case.
Given what has happened, it is up to players to offer different platforms, different options, and new leadership. I think the ESA and PURE, regardless of what you think of their platforms are starts. Whether these players are interested in attracting center-left and center-right players remains to be seen, but it is a base.
And, there's nothing that says that you have to agree 100% with a party to join it. Heck, if you like Mel's conservative party but disagree with his position on trade, join it and convince the other party members to change that position! These things happen.
I am happy to see so much activity here recently and am looking forward to the election. Things may appear one-sided to some, but if you count up all of our players then you will see the election really is up for grabs (Polls not withstanding). It's out there for the taking.
And, this is just one election. Oftentimes it takes at least one cycle to build strong opposition. And for coalition governments to realize that they can't agree on everything.
Have fun!
That was a lot of reading to catch up on!
Okay, let's see where to begin after the 15 NEW pages of OOC forum, not to mention all of the IC posts.
1. "Vote of No Confidence" - This was something discussed that was "left on the cutting room floor". I don't remember the pros and cons of it, but, if there was no game-structure reason for leaving it out, the Transition History was written in such a way (with Gall and Grant) to provide some sort of justification for it. In fact, it was going to be included in the original GRAPPA. If there was IC player interest, and Mel okays it, this could become law.
2. VonStreusser - See? I said don't blow up anything while I'm gone and what happens? Not to rehash the debate which has concluded, but looking ahead:
- The Scuttlebutt is hilarious and perhaps you'd have time/interest to continue it?
- If you need some time off, I can send PJ on a secret mission or something. Time off is fine, just don't leave for good.
3. Hajji - Ditto. Sorry to see you go, if you do go. I know it's tough to rebound from losing Morgan, but it would be great for you to stay around some capacity, if if only as the head hobo of the Hajjite cult!
4. Deaghaidh - Well, perhaps you should restart the Commonality Party? I think there are enough issues in the W.E.T. that if you are unhappy with the direction things have taken, that you could start a lot of your own initiatives.
5. Comments in General about the Elections - Here is something to think about: The UP may be somewhat unlikely, a coalition of former rivals/enemies, united despite a very incohesive, some might say incompatible, spectrum of political beliefs, but who has challenged them?
It sounds like some of the arguments are that there is no Right or Left, only an unbeatable Center. If you feel this way, then you need to work to build a unified party to challenge them, but you should concentrate more on philosophy than an electoral success.
Think about it. A coalition of far-right and far-left would make no sense and would not appeal to voters (GM floating votes), however if you build a strong and articulate party on the left or on the right , it will eventually gain support and attract voters. You may not appear to win the pre-election poll for this term, but you set yourself up as the loyal opposition and can win in the next election.
Look at the old RD, and how long they dominated. Look at the CC and how they won the presidency (again after having to abandon it the first time!
).The Center (MP) came about through some shrewed role playing and trying to unite the left and right against a (real or perceived, depending on what side you were on!
) threat from the monarchists. But the Center can be cleaved if a vital and credible alternative exists to attract votes.
Yes, a lot of game veterans have united for electoral success. Personally, I had hoped this wouldn't happen, that instead they'd form new, competitive parties with veteran leaders in each one. But that's not the case.
Given what has happened, it is up to players to offer different platforms, different options, and new leadership. I think the ESA and PURE, regardless of what you think of their platforms are starts. Whether these players are interested in attracting center-left and center-right players remains to be seen, but it is a base.
And, there's nothing that says that you have to agree 100% with a party to join it. Heck, if you like Mel's conservative party but disagree with his position on trade, join it and convince the other party members to change that position! These things happen.
I am happy to see so much activity here recently and am looking forward to the election. Things may appear one-sided to some, but if you count up all of our players then you will see the election really is up for grabs (Polls not withstanding). It's out there for the taking.
And, this is just one election. Oftentimes it takes at least one cycle to build strong opposition. And for coalition governments to realize that they can't agree on everything.
Have fun!
heagarty said:Whew...
And, this is just one election. Oftentimes it takes at least one cycle to build strong opposition. And for coalition governments to realize that they can't agree on everything.
Have fun!
I just want to reiterate this, especially for new players. Don't be disheartened if your ideas/ platforms/ parties don't take off right away. You don't have to be elected president right away. In my own example, the ESRP in E2 started off too small to be in the first election, but after that started growing and by Term 8 had one of the largest parties in the assembly.
All it takes is the will to be determined and to stay visible through the media or other sources. Just keep plugging...eventually you'll get your recognition.
Ditto to Joe. It takes time to get anywhere. Especially if you are different in ideology than everyone else. The only reason I was made a MNA is because someone else retired. The only reason I was ever made a minister is because one retired, and the only reason I was made VP is because the old one died in a wild party.
So, dont feel bad or leave if you don't get all the spots. It takes a while (unless you are lucky)
So, dont feel bad or leave if you don't get all the spots. It takes a while (unless you are lucky)
It does indeed take time to earn a top spot. Langley was the founder of a fringe party in term 1. Term two he helped form the CC - which was originally a loose coalition of the right and far right - and gained a spot in the GA (then known as parliament). Term 3 he sat out of government, helping run the CPR coalition from behind the scenes and also chairing the CC. Term 4, he was elected Speaker. Term 5 - President. Term 6 MTEF. So for my first 3 terms, Langley had one term as a member of parliament to show for it, but I'd say he was still an important and influencial character.
Heagarty: The Unity Party is kind of an odd mixture, but its intended to only last for this term to solve Eutopia's immediate and pressing problems. After that, the "old guard" will split into right - center - left camps.
Langley has always been a pragmatic political calculator - and being the one to undermine such a noble sounding effort would not play well in the election press. So he went along with it, and to his (my) surprise, the UP has been very cohesive. And it has been a lot of fun to work alongside so many experienced campaigners - especially people I'm usually working against.
Heagarty: The Unity Party is kind of an odd mixture, but its intended to only last for this term to solve Eutopia's immediate and pressing problems. After that, the "old guard" will split into right - center - left camps.
Langley has always been a pragmatic political calculator - and being the one to undermine such a noble sounding effort would not play well in the election press. So he went along with it, and to his (my) surprise, the UP has been very cohesive. And it has been a lot of fun to work alongside so many experienced campaigners - especially people I'm usually working against.
heagarty,
Who would win a three way no hold bars fight to the death?
Walrus, Insane Panda, Insane Bum?
Who would win a three way no hold bars fight to the death?
Walrus, Insane Panda, Insane Bum?
Melanchthon said:Yup. The GM have discussed it. Will get back to you soon.
You know, I think this may be the first time ive ever started a GM discussion. Im so proud
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