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With Voshkod's Levarge on haitus, Tulp under a cloud from the Hainan Star incident, Rednan's Frans Truman wanting to play another character or be a cabinet minister (which will likely lead to him resigning his commission), that only leaves Busco's Major McGrath and Cestius' Major Braxton [Ret.] having any association with the military, which is a bit on the low side, considering that both of them are too low to be plausibly promoted to flag rank to run a service.

Therefore, I have a suggestion. We used to have special thread, where things could go on that didn't interact with other threads, and players were excused, in that thread, from following the one character per player rule. That was the Football League, (which is still in existence, just not being RP'ed). Could we do something similar with the Military? Two possible approaches:
  • Have a military academy/war college thread where people could begin RP'ing a military character, bringing them up through the ranks, and eventually retire their current character and being playing the military character, which would then be at a level to be a possible chief of service. This is most similar the AFLE exception, as there would be no outside posts by these larval characters-to-be.
  • Have appropriate military threads, in which only military characters, mods, and the civilian chain of command (President and MDIS) can post, allowing civilians (other than the President and MDIS, whose military characters would be in stasis or overseas attending some foriegn war college while the civilian character held those posts) to run a military character in addition to their normal character. A secondary military character (if the player was running another character as well) would not be able to post in any non-military thread, and thus would effectively be unable to stage a coup. This version is a bit of a stretch, and I could see how it would be hard to monitor, but I wanted to suggest it as it would permit more military activity sooner.

I didn't put it as a content suggestion, because it is clearly a rules issue first, content would be fleshed out later, but only if the concept were acceptable.
 

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vS - I'm not at home right now...so anything I do with the information you sent me will have to wait a little while...Oh, it's ugly, ugly stuff....:)
 

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unclebryan said:
Rednan's Frans Truman wanting to play another character or be a cabinet minister (which will likely lead to him resigning his commission)

There's no reason Truman would have to resign his commission to be MDIS, AFAIK. In fact, I seem to recall us having active-duty military ministers previously. Of course, it's essentially a suspension of rank, since you wouldn't want a Minister/Lieutenant being ordered around by a Captain. ;)

Regarding your idea, we've batted around the idea of loosening up the NPC restrictions, but (and I'm generalizing the mod discussions on the subject) it seems like the consensus is that finding a comfortable medium would be ultimately unworkable, or would err on the side of requiring a great deal more mod-monitoring, which is of course something we would prefer to avoid.
 

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Amric, no problem. And for the rest of you that got the info but haven't had a chance to do anything yet, don't be deterred by not getting in the first shot...part of the fun is seeing what each of you does with it. :)

ub - an interesting idea. But to be honest, I'm not completely certain we *need* more military characters. We have fluxes of high and low with that group, as with most things, but the focus of the game is supposed to be the politics, really. Additionally, a real military person would have precious little time to engage in politics until retirement, and their job is to take orders from superiors and usually to train and that sort of thing....not terribly exciting unless a boatload of illegals comes along to shoot at. ;) Anyway, it's the sort of thing we can abstract fairly easily. I think it's good to have a played Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or a Chief for the (now) two branches of the military, because those characters make big decisions and interact with the rest of the players more, but I don't see a need for 10 played Sergeants and Colonels and Privates.
 

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vS, I understand perfectly, you have "No Time for Sergeants" :rofl:

google title if you don't get it

Right now, we have Tulp who could well be sacked and no one else. The Air Force imploded partly because the players couldn't appoint a chief of service. If the next administration gets the arms embargos lifted, or starts building fighter locally, will appointing an NPC as Chief of Service for the Air Force be acceptable if we have a reasonable active MDIS, or will we get the same reaction as when Loic tried to drop by MERL to make suggestions when their minister was AWOL?

I agree it is political game. I will just have to find a diplomatic/economic means of establishing the Central Atlantic Co-prosperity Sphere. :) Like going for a space race victory in Civilization instead of Conquest victory. What we really need is more active players, so competition would lure enough people into those roles, but if there were more people, then a relative newcomer like myself wouldn't be the leading Presidential candidate. Thanks for considering it.
 

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unclebryan said:
vS, I understand perfectly, you have "No Time for Sergeants" :rofl:

google title if you don't get it

:p

unclebryan said:
Right now, we have Tulp who could well be sacked and no one else. The Air Force imploded partly because the players couldn't appoint a chief of service. If the next administration gets the arms embargos lifted, or starts building fighter locally, will appointing an NPC as Chief of Service for the Air Force be acceptable if we have a reasonable active MDIS, or will we get the same reaction as when Loic tried to drop by MERL to make suggestions when their minister was AWOL?

Nope, appointing a service chief is different from trying to de facto merge two ministries. When the dust settles after this issue, if the command structure/makeup has changed, we can promote NPCs and run it in mod-abstraction. But as the scandal is still very much up in the air, anything could happen yet.

unclebryan said:
I agree it is political game. I will just have to find a diplomatic/economic means of establishing the Central Atlantic Co-prosperity Sphere. :) Like going for a space race victory in Civilization instead of Conquest victory. What we really need is more active players, so competition would lure enough people into those roles, but if there were more people, then a relative newcomer like myself wouldn't be the leading Presidential candidate. Thanks for considering it.

Diplo-economic solutions...just what we were going for! ;) But your jingoist rhetoric alarms me. :) I agree, what we really need is more active players...we've picked up a few good new people lately who I'm very pleased to see actively engaged in the campaigns, but we can always use more. The game once peaked at something like 50 active players, and it was an amazing beast in those days. We could do it again, but we need some more advertising or something. :D
 

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unclebryan said:
With Voshkod's Levarge on haitus, Tulp under a cloud from the Hainan Star incident, Rednan's Frans Truman wanting to play another character or be a cabinet minister (which will likely lead to him resigning his commission), that only leaves Busco's Major McGrath and Cestius' Major Braxton [Ret.] having any association with the military, which is a bit on the low side, considering that both of them are too low to be plausibly promoted to flag rank to run a service.

Therefore, I have a suggestion. We used to have special thread, where things could go on that didn't interact with other threads, and players were excused, in that thread, from following the one character per player rule. That was the Football League, (which is still in existence, just not being RP'ed). Could we do something similar with the Military? Two possible approaches:
  • Have a military academy/war college thread where people could begin RP'ing a military character, bringing them up through the ranks, and eventually retire their current character and being playing the military character, which would then be at a level to be a possible chief of service. This is most similar the AFLE exception, as there would be no outside posts by these larval characters-to-be.
  • Have appropriate military threads, in which only military characters, mods, and the civilian chain of command (President and MDIS) can post, allowing civilians (other than the President and MDIS, whose military characters would be in stasis or overseas attending some foriegn war college while the civilian character held those posts) to run a military character in addition to their normal character. A secondary military character (if the player was running another character as well) would not be able to post in any non-military thread, and thus would effectively be unable to stage a coup. This version is a bit of a stretch, and I could see how it would be hard to monitor, but I wanted to suggest it as it would permit more military activity sooner.

I didn't put it as a content suggestion, because it is clearly a rules issue first, content would be fleshed out later, but only if the concept were acceptable.
Is only another 7 ranks to get a major to general if you really wanted to plausably raise a rank you could always get a mod to cause a national emergany or something to that effect.
 

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HA!

UB, they aint going to catch me ;)
I have experience with screwing up and then acting like nothing happened :D;)
 

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HJ Tulp said:
HA!

UB, they aint going to catch me ;)
I have experience with screwing up and then acting like nothing happened :D;)
quote of monty python his just a naughty boy
 

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von Streusser said:
Nope, appointing a service chief is different from trying to de facto merge two ministries. When the dust settles after this issue, if the command structure/makeup has changed, we can promote NPCs and run it in mod-abstraction. But as the scandal is still very much up in the air, anything could happen yet.
Thanks for the clarification.


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Diplo-economic solutions...just what we were going for! ;) But your jingoist rhetoric alarms me. :)
Which is why it was delivered OOC. The military options are pretty limited this term, but things might be ready by Term XIII, when there could be a possible second Fourgéres administration, if we survive until then. :)
 

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Is only another 7 ranks to get a major to general if you really wanted to plausably raise a rank you could always get a mod to cause a national emergany or something to that effect.

Only five -- Eutopian rank structure is thankfully emaciated in the flag ranks, since we don't have any corps- or army-level organizations. See here.

HJ Tulp said:
I have experience with screwing up and then acting like nothing happened

Speaking of past experience, I kept waiting for Tulp the Younger to pull a pistol and demand the President not put him on administrative leave... :D

unclebryan said:
The military options are pretty limited this term, but things might be ready by Term XIII, when there could be a possible second Fourgéres administration, if we survive until then.

Don't forget to amend the Constitution. ;)
 

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Don't forget to amend the Constitution. ;)
This election is for Term XI. Assuming the mods haven't changed it since this topic was last discussed, the restriction in the Constitution is for sitting Presidents running for re-election. One can be elected every other term, ad infinitum. As I am aging Loic 3 years per term, there would be a practical limit. But as he is only age 53 now, theoretically he could serve in terms XIII and XV, completing the third term at age 68. Practically, a week is a long time in politics, I won't put any odds on this in the OOC Casino.

Amending the Constitution would be if Loic wanted to serve at the start of Term XII, if he served out Term XI.
 

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Bpsch, I would tell him that he is relieved from duty as CinC first ;)
 

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Nonono, you make the same mistake as they did when Tulp the Elder made his (last) move :p

You see I'd relieve him of his duty as CinC. Not as Prez :D
Offcourse the High Court would shoot it down again :(
 

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You said "I would tell him that he is relieved from duty as CinC first", implying that you would shoot him next, making Loic President, unless you missed or he was just wounded. If you didn't mean that, then forget it.
 

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Well he can't put me on active when he's death is it? ;)

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to survive next term :D
 

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Well he can't put me on active when he's death is it? ;)

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to survive next term :D

Survive? Why you mean because of this scandal? I think Tulp has an excellent case for a breakdown in the chain of command and his acting on the best intelligence supplied to him.

Frankly....There was a terrorist attack. There was a ship refusing to respond to direct and clear orders to stop. There were guns. There were soccer fans.
I would a done the same thing.... ;)
 

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HJ Tulp said:
Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to survive next term :D

The same way you always have...angrily and indignantly. ;)

And ub, the last time something like this happened and Tulp had a gun, he didn't shoot the President...he kept him hostage in the war room and knocked him out with the butt of the gun. Stemmed from a, now that I look back on it, moderately hilarious situation with President Vasco I-Killed_Kenny screaming into a camera in the war room for help while he was being dragged off. He was a real nutter. :)
 
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