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Who is too say that Tilapia will stop their killing of New Bengalis or that the New Bengalis will stop their independence movement? I agree that Tilapia will not be the first one to declare war but our hand will be forced to declare war on them. If we dont stop this crisis then Eutopian prestige will be severely damaged. Our reputation is already in the dumps at the moment. We must be prepared for hostilities at all times.

The defense budget should be at least maintained at 8% so that we can make those extra purchases of submarines that have been proposed so far. Defense is NOT the issue to make a stand on especially with war seemily speeding toward us.
 

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Fair enough Mr. President. I remain conflicted over the military myself so I thank you for your response.
And just as a reminder, I feel I have some crediblity on this issue as in the first ever Eutopian Budget, which I wrote, proposed, and passed without amendment, I cut military spending. However, we are in a different time now and I think these different times call for a different approach to the military. I would hope that the President would work closely with the allocated funds to ensure funding for the submarines as Per Florian suggests.
 

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Awakened said:
Who is too say that Tilapia will stop their killing of New Bengalis or that the New Bengalis will stop their independence movement? I agree that Tilapia will not be the first one to declare war but our hand will be forced to declare war on them. If we dont stop this crisis then Eutopian prestige will be severely damaged. Our reputation is already in the dumps at the moment. We must be prepared for hostilities at all times.

The defense budget should be at least maintained at 8% so that we can make those extra purchases of submarines that have been proposed so far. Defense is NOT the issue to make a stand on especially with war seemily speeding toward us.

"But my fellow ELP party member, Eutopia spent approximately 7.25% on the budget last year. I am sure we can spend that much this year. If the situation calls for it, we still have that 1.75% budget surplus, do we not?"
 

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"But my fellow ELP party member, Eutopia spent approximately 7.25% on the budget last year. I am sure we can spend that much this year. If the situation calls for it, we still have that 1.75% budget surplus, do we not?"
But Per Black, a submarine is not built overnight. I support having a surplus, but perhaps some of that surplus could be diverted now to ensure that if all else fails, and I know that this party would NEVER start a war unless unless HAS failed, that we will be ready. Keep the surplus, divert some of it would be my idea situation.

Let me be clear that I 100% support the rest of the budget and still 100% support the President and this party. But National Security is an issue of prime importance.
 

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"Also, something has been befuddling me quite lately. Why is it that Tilapia and us would even declare war on each other in the first place? The civil war is in their own territory, is it not? Does the war in New Bengal directly affect us in some way? Does it affect the economy, or international relations? Some clarification would be much appreciated."
 

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"But my fellow ELP party member, Eutopia spent approximately 7.25% on the budget last year. I am sure we can spend that much this year. If the situation calls for it, we still have that 1.75% budget surplus, do we not?"

The president has stated that he would allocate more funding for the navy inside the 7.25% but this would cut expeditures on the army and navy which defeats the purpose of upgrading our navy. The purpose of upgrading our navy is of course to be prepared for war with Tilapia and maintain an effective defense force. We could use the surplus in case of emergency but we would suffer political damage because the people would ask why we didnt go ahead and allocate funding in the first place. The international community would further scold us for not securing the peace of the islands and isolate us more from the world. We all hope that we can find peaceful ways to end conflict but that is not realisitic thinking, we need 8%.
 

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Awakened said:
The president has stated that he would allocate more funding for the navy inside the 7.25% but this would cut expeditures on the army and navy which defeats the purpose of upgrading our navy. The purpose of upgrading our navy is of course to be prepared for war with Tilapia and maintain an effective defense force. We could use the surplus in case of emergency but we would suffer political damage because the people would ask why we didnt go ahead and allocate funding in the first place. The international community would further scold us for not securing the peace of the islands and isolate us more from the world. We all hope that we can find peaceful ways to end conflict but that is not realisitic thinking, we need 8%.

I did not promise to increase funding for the Navy, I promised to look in to it. And as I have already stated, war with Tilapia is a ridiculously unlikely occurence in my opinion, as both sides would gain nothing from it. And why would we suffer damage from putting money into the military if a war breaks out, and why would the international community scold us for it? If anyone at all is going to declare war, I'll do my hardest to make sure it isn't Eutopia who's doing it.
 

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I did not promise to increase funding for the Navy, I promised to look in to it. And as I have already stated, war with Tilapia is a ridiculously unlikely occurence in my opinion, as both sides would gain nothing from it. And why would we suffer damage from putting money into the military if a war breaks out, and why would the international community scold us for it? If anyone at all is going to declare war, I'll do my hardest to make sure it isn't Eutopia who's doing it.

We have the safety and liberty of the New Bengalis to gain. If we do not secure those things then the international community will see us as weak and callous. We will suffer damage for using the surplus in emergency because it will be seen as a poor calculation on our part. People would ask why we didnt see into the future in terms of hostilities with Tilapia.
 

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Awakened said:
We have the safety and liberty of the New Bengalis to gain. If we do not secure those things then the international community will see us as weak and callous. We will suffer damage for using the surplus in emergency because it will be seen as a poor calculation on our part. People would ask why we didnt see into the future in terms of hostilities with Tilapia.

And how will military increases secure the liberty of New Bengal? If we do not, the international community will not blame us, but Tilapia, the nation that is actually doing the damage. And political capital will be the least of our concerns if we go to war with Tilapia, I would be more concerned with how we would ensure peace. War will never happen in my administration, let me make this totally clear.
 

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And how will military increases secure the liberty of New Bengal? If we do not, the international community will not blame us, but Tilapia, the nation that is actually doing the damage. And political capital will be the least of our concerns if we go to war with Tilapia, I would be more concerned with how we would ensure peace. War will never happen in my administration, let me make this totally clear.

Eutopia would share some of the blame for the deaths of the New Bengalis when we could have at least tried to defend them. Many New Bengalis hold duel citizenship between New Bengal and Eutopia. As citizens of our country we have a constitutional mandate to secure their safety and liberty while dealing out justice. Mr President, war often times comes against the will of a people and we must always be prepared for it.
 

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Eutopia would share some of the blame for the deaths of the New Bengalis when we could have at least tried to defend them. Many New Bengalis hold duel citizenship between New Bengal and Eutopia. As citizens of our country we have a constitutional mandate to secure their safety and liberty while dealing out justice. Mr President, war often times comes against the will of a people and we must always be prepared for it.

And we are prepared for it. In my conversations with Admiral Tulp and President Leary, I am totally satisfied that we can defend ourselves from Tilapia. If you are arguing that we should go to war with Tilapia, then you are excluding the diplomatic option which has not been tried. Intervining Militarily shall only kill.
 

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And we are prepared for it. In my conversations with Admiral Tulp and President Leary, I am totally satisfied that we can defend ourselves from Tilapia. If you are arguing that we should go to war with Tilapia, then you are excluding the diplomatic option which has not been tried. Intervining Militarily shall only kill.

I hold violence as a last resort option only and I hope that we can secure peace by diplomatic means. President Leary informed me that the navy was in desperate need of shallow water submarines to counter Tilapia's F-100 frigates. These frigates cancel out our otherwise superior airforce which in my opinion would mean that we are not prepared for conflict. Do you think we are completely and fully prepared for war considering that fact?
 

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We are prepared for war, yes. There is easily enough money in the Defense Budget for the purchase of Kilos, and I am discussing the matter with Admiral Tulp. And may I also ask why you contacted Per Leary?
 

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"Per Florian, why do you keep insisting that Eutopia and Tilapia has the chance that they engage in a state of war with each other? This is rather confusing to me."
 

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We are prepared for war, yes. There is easily enough money in the Defense Budget for the purchase of Kilos, and I am discussing the matter with Admiral Tulp. And may I also ask why you contacted Per Leary?

Per Leary is the senior legislature for the PL. I felt that I should establish a relationship if only professional so I can better do my job. I simply want the Eutopian people secure and the rights of all Eutopian citizens including those on New Bengal. The president by mandate of the constitution to secure liberty and security to Eutopian citizens, I just want us to be able to do that effectively.
 

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"Per Florian, why do you keep insisting that Eutopia and Tilapia has the chance that they engage in a state of war with each other? This is rather confusing to me."

Tilapia is our most direct threat at the moment if we perform our constitutional duties and secure the rights of the New Bengalis. We must be prepared for war, that is the only point and concern im trying establish at the moment.
 

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Awakened said:
Per Leary is the senior legislature for the PL. I felt that I should establish a relationship if only professional so I can better do my job. I simply want the Eutopian people secure and the rights of all Eutopian citizens including those on New Bengal. The president by mandate of the constitution to secure liberty and security to Eutopian citizens, I just want us to be able to do that effectively.

Well, perhaps you could inform your partymates on what you discussed?

And besides, invading Tilapia will not secure the rights of those on New Bengal, it will kill them more. War is not the answer, diplomacy is.
 

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Awakened said:
Tilapia is our most direct threat at the moment if we perform our constitutional duties and secure the rights of the New Bengalis. We must be prepared for war, that is the only point and concern im trying establish at the moment.

And I understand that concern, and I feel that with the budget I have proposed we can defend our Island easily, especially from Tilapia.
 

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Im not supporting war, I said clearly that I see it only as a last resort. Securing peace can be achieved diplomatically as well as militarily.

As for my conversation with per Leary, we discussed how our two parties could establish an alliance of concessions against the conservatives. As I understand it, a veto can be overriden by an assembly majority which at the moment is against us. We have to work better with the PL or this term will be a disaster for us and for the people.
 

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Awakened said:
As for my conversation with per Leary, we discussed how our two parties could establish an alliance of concessions against the conservatives. As I understand it, a veto can be overriden by an assembly majority which at the moment is against us. We have to work better with the PL or this term will be a disaster for us and for the people.

I reached the Budget I proposed with a conversation with Per Leary in the Diamond Office. He said he liked it and he would bring it back to his party. If he now wants to change the rules of our little game, he's not going to get anything extra.
 
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