Mr. Braxton I agree with the sentiments of Per Cojuanco that combining bills with similar topics is a wise course.
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Right'o I'll get on to that straight away but is their any objectives to the content of the current propsal?
No objections at all from me Major.
If someone would second my motion to table we will simultainously show that we are not obstructionists while also allowing us to see if the Speaker and Deputy Speaker are present.
If someone would second my motion to table we will simultainously show that we are not obstructionists while also allowing us to see if the Speaker and Deputy Speaker are present.
So Leary's disappearence is bad news for the hope of compromise. I'm not sure there is anyone else who has the crediblity needed to be able to negiotiate a compromise and get the votes to stick. Certainly we have no common ground with the ENP or PEL on this issue so once again the hope lies with the PoL. Hopefully Leary will resurface soon. If he does not do so soon, offering an early show of support to someone might be a way to avoid being shutout by the other parties as happened during the last speaker vote.
Leary's disappearance also means we are without a Vice President. The Deputy Speaker does not have that role. We should propose a motion to declare the Speaker's office vacant, or rather second the motion to that effect.
Yes but do we have a gameplan for what to do next? It seems that we should have a gameplan as it is unlikely we could get the post, but it would be nice to play king maker rather than excluded party.unclebryan said:
(OOC: It depends on what the Presidential situation is, which we don't "know" about yet. If we need to replace Gonzov, we can try to arrange the following: Make a deal with another party to put forward our candidate for speaker/VP, on the condition that we vote to impeach and convict Gonzov, so the ELP retains the Presidency, and we support the candidate from the party that cooperates in our plan for the replacement Speaker when our Speaker becomes President. If we can't get anyone to agree with this, then we use our voting block to prevent any impeachment from turning into a removal.)
I see your point, we will have to act quickly to avoid getting shut out, but acting too quickly could be considered unseemly.
I see your point, we will have to act quickly to avoid getting shut out, but acting too quickly could be considered unseemly.
Mr. President, what with the alert rumors and whatnot, is there anything we should know?
Admiral Tulp raised the alarm status as part of his Manouvers. I advised against it, as it could potentially harm the peace process.
I now think there is more to the story. What renegade cowboys were invading New Bengal?
Mr. President your party is here to help. If you choose to shut us out, I will respect it, but it makes it mighty hard to stand up for you based on the negative story that has run prominently today about your interaction with the Ambassador.The Gonzo said:
The former President has put forth a "compromise" which is a serious step back from Leary's proposal. I have made it clear that if Leary's proposal is not acceptable, his backtracking will hardly be such and have not even bothered to counter. I still hope for a compromise, but am far less optomistic.
Minister Jones are you ready if these discussions fall through?
Minister Jones are you ready if these discussions fall through?
President Gonzov, I must insist that you make a public statement about what happened in New Bengal and in the Tilapian Embassy, and follow that up by providing access to any news organization or politician, including those from other parties to the source documents that support your statement. We ran on a platform of open and accountable government. It may have been okay to delay in a crisis, but that time has past. Speak now and apologize and all will probably blow over, as we can rally to support or protect you. If you don't do so within 24 hours, I will make a motion here to have you removed as our party leader, and hold elections for your replacement.
I would like to express my full support for Minister Park and his statement. Please help us understand what went on as what is public information and your response here right now is not encouraging.
Well how about some excellent news? Cause I got it. Zhokhyen just agreed to my initial proposal for a tax cut of the following: .25 Earned Income Tax Credit, .25 State tax deduction targeted to median income housholds and below, .15 raised deductible (Leary's idea) and .10 corporate tax reduction. .5 BP goes directly to median income or poorer households, another .15 will make it's biggest impact on those same households, while benefitting everyone. Considering that the current bill on the floor would give .5 BP reduction in corporate taxes I consider an 80% decrease in that amount a huge success. In my mind we have achieved a permenant tax drecase for the poor and middle class of .65 BP while only giving up a .10 BP concession in return. I am pleased as peach.
In exchange I agreed that the ELP did not want to completely block all PoL legislation. In particular I expressed personal, though not party support, for postal reform, though not complete and immeadiate privitization as he wants. Essentially he wanted assurances that we would be willing to compromise on other bills and that we were not going to block everyone else from any legislative acomplishments.
I hope others agree that this is a major success for us.
In exchange I agreed that the ELP did not want to completely block all PoL legislation. In particular I expressed personal, though not party support, for postal reform, though not complete and immeadiate privitization as he wants. Essentially he wanted assurances that we would be willing to compromise on other bills and that we were not going to block everyone else from any legislative acomplishments.
I hope others agree that this is a major success for us.
An annyoed and irritated Braxton storms into the HQ
Have you seen an impeachment may be started against Mr Gonzov does anyone have any ideas on how tpo either stop this going a head or stalling it?
Have you seen an impeachment may be started against Mr Gonzov does anyone have any ideas on how tpo either stop this going a head or stalling it?
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"First we need some answers. He's going to have to give a full explanation of what exactly has happened, if he's made errors, and frankly I can't see how he hasn't, he's going to have to apologise and if the Tilapians don't trust him he's going to step back from the negotiations and put somebody else, somebody they feel they can trust, in charge.
If he can't do that, I'm not sure I would want to stop a vote on impeachment.
Alright, now I've got that off my chest, I have a question for Dr Glasser. You made preliminary agreements to support some elements of PoL legislation this term, correct? You didn't agree to anything concrete, did you? Because there are some things I can grit my teeth about and either vote or abstain, but there are some things, such as his proposed gun rights legislation, that I'd sooner gnaw my own arm off than support.
I think we need to work out exactly where we compromise, because Zhokhyen in particular will generally get the ENP's and PEL's support for his bills, so may feel he has less to gain in sticking to the spirit of any agreement."
If he can't do that, I'm not sure I would want to stop a vote on impeachment.
Alright, now I've got that off my chest, I have a question for Dr Glasser. You made preliminary agreements to support some elements of PoL legislation this term, correct? You didn't agree to anything concrete, did you? Because there are some things I can grit my teeth about and either vote or abstain, but there are some things, such as his proposed gun rights legislation, that I'd sooner gnaw my own arm off than support.
I think we need to work out exactly where we compromise, because Zhokhyen in particular will generally get the ENP's and PEL's support for his bills, so may feel he has less to gain in sticking to the spirit of any agreement."
Impeachment is a majority vote. If the three other parties want to do that, they can, and there is nothing we can do to stop it. That leads to a trial, and removal requires a 2/3 vote, which we can block if we stand united. But the President must make a full and complete public accounting of what happened to even have us consider staying united behind him.
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