Eutopian Congress of Labour (ECL) - General Meeting

[Apebe]

I just want to say, as you invited me do join your ranks, that Liberalism does work for the workers class. We just think that traditional socialism doesnt free the workers class but does getthorize her even more. Liberalism is a real alternative for a better future. If you're willing me to join and be a rather silent member with a different opinion, I will be happy to.

 

[Pero Coveilha]

Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
I said that because the comition could became more powerfull that need to be and became like lose organizations and start thinking about only them ( their members ) and don't work to all society. And we must believe that the workers ( in the ECL or not ) will say if someone ( or some firm ) isn't respeting his rights, that why er are were right???
That's why I say their should not be comitions.

I understand what you are saying but I don't understand your position. How our local activists are to manage for better working conditions then? The current risk is not that some bureaucratic commissions would have too much power, it is that the workers rights are not respected by the employer!
You can't believe, in your union leader conscience, that the workers can freely express their grievances nowadays without the help of their workmates, without the aid of the collective, without the union! They have to bind themselves, to wage collective actions to be stronger. Experience shows that a isolated worker can shout after petty officers when something goes wrong at his/her workplace. But actually s/he risks to be sanctionned, far more than to be heared. The hierarchy will make something only if it fears problems.
The commissions are there to play this role permanently, to give a specialized education to representatives, who will inform their workmates. Sadly, not every worker can learn and use the Labour Laws when it is needed

[OOC] Okay, in Portugal we used some thing called "Recibos Verdes" ( green receipt ) that consist in working in some companie but not becaming a member of the staff. Okay? But now a worker that works in a Firm for one year he became a member of the staff.
So the grand employers did this: the worker A, worked in Firm B whicth is part of the group C. Then firm A simply change the worker to firm D, whitch is part of group C and the worker didn't do 1 year in that firm so he continue to only resive "green receipts", and with "green receipts" the boss don't have to pay all the wage and and can "fire" the work when he whats. So now the Groups counts was firms. Did you understand???
If not please read it again, or say. I talked about this because I don't know who the economy in EUtopia workes [/OOC]

Ok. If I understand correctly, and since we don't know if this system is applied in EUtopia, we should summarize this proposal like this : "Groups are the relevant level at which careers develop; Transfered employee keep their rights (time of service, and so and so)" OK?
(well if the EUtopian laws are as complex as in most industrialized countries, it will be difficult to make an adequate reform...)

No that's a bad ideia becuase you need to think in the small companies that many times only have to many to pay the wages. No that's a bad Ideia, only the retired

We can propose that the local round tables talks take this claim into account in their negociations

 

[Pero Coveilha]

oh, and what do you think of being called "Executive Secretary" (it means what you want), while I'll be General Secretary?

 

[Pero Coveilha]

THank you... (*a voice hiss in the shadows*) Reverend

I think that every worker, and every ECL member agree with your statements at a general level, as far as they affect them as workers. We are very pleased to see your Church so involved in this world affairs.
about the different points you develop, some are not of Trade Unions' competence, though we are fully conscious of their importance for EUtopian economics and social affairs. So we particularly appreciate that these issues are thorougly comprehended by such an institution as yours

But I'd personally like to point that the aim of the Union is not - contrarly to you - to appease social conflicts and aim to the common wealth, but to truly represent one side of the parties and to defend the interests of the workers against the other side who defends its ones. However, I acknowledge the role of the State, Churches and other institutions, which is to deal with a third point of view.
About the specific intervention of the Churches, I should remind that they are no public, but private organizations and so intervene as such (this precision for the eventual ones who could suspect clericalism in your dialogue)

 

[Pero Coveilha]

Originally posted by Apebe
I just want to say, as you invited me do join your ranks, that Liberalism does work for the workers class. We just think that traditional socialism doesnt free the workers class but does getthorize her even more. Liberalism is a real alternative for a better future. If you're willing me to join and be a rather silent member with a different opinion, I will be happy to.

We don't care about your statements about socialism. We are not doing this sort of politics here.
But we prefer our members to express themselves rather that staying silent. If you join, it is to defend yourself and your workmates. It is to participate in building collective actions. You can't do that silently

So welcome
what is your profession?

 

[unmerged(4755)]

Originally posted by Pero Coveilha
(how do you address to a bishop?)

A voice in the shadows...

By mentioning his title, hence "Thank you, Bishop (or Bishop Edward)" (or "As you wish, vicar", "How do you like your tea, reverend ?")

 

[Pero Coveilha]

thanks (edit done)
I see you haunt the EUtopia forum since a few days. Won't you join any organization? Ours, eventually?

 

[unmerged(9119)]

Pero I'm right now the Executive Secretary of the ECL and I will go with your position in the "comisitions".

But I continue against the 13 mouth for the workers because of the thinks I said before. So I think you should update our platform.


Vasco, Executive Secretary of the ECL

 

[Pero Coveilha]

Ok
we won't mention it in our platform. However, I'd like we discuss further about this in a few time
I'll make the up date, and give a link in the media
I think we can barge now in the "EUotpia progress" thread with our proposals?

 

[Pero Coveilha]

updated (see page 1, 2nd post)
Feel free to comment

Vasco, tell me if i've made a mistake or forgotten something

 

[unmerged(9119)]

The platform is very good, I think you should talk about it, because your general secretary and because you give more ideia, so now it's the perfect time to talk

Vasco, ECL executive secretary


EDIT: I did make some publisity in the other parties HQs and a aricle in the PI if you what to had some thing in both please say

 

[Pero Coveilha]

Okay. give me a few time

I'd like Apebe be more active in our org, though

 

[Josephus I]

Keep up the good work. I like what you're doing here, and fully support it.

 

[unmerged(9119)]

Originally posted by Josephus I
Keep up the good work. I like what you're doing here, and fully support it.

I ask If you support or your party do???

If YOU support you should join, the workers deserve all the help that they can get

Vasco

 

[Josephus I]

Allright, I'll join this group. And, of course, my party gives full support to this organization, just don't come running up to us for funds.... We will however be present and vocal at any labour rallies and such.....


speaking of which, my party is still looking for members if any of you here are unaligned feel free to visit the ESRP

 

[unmerged(9119)]

Originally posted by Josephus I
Allright, I'll join this group. And, of course, my party gives full support to this organization, just don't come running up to us for funds.... We will however be present and vocal at any labour rallies and such.....


speaking of which, my party is still looking for members if any of you here are unaligned feel free to visit the ESRP

Welcome, to the Union, you need to resieve the official confirmation from our General Secretary.

And I can't join the ESPR because I'm from the RD

 

[Pero Coveilha]

I'm very pleased to welcome you, Josephus

After reading your newspaper, I m' also content to see that your party plainly supports our action
(I'd make you notice however that the ECL has no ties with any centre-left party. At the moment, our members are IKK (RD), Apebe (LD), you (ESRP) and me (without affiliation) : it makes the Union really open to all workers whatever their politcal beliefs)

Though we have declared our platform definitive, I hope you'll participate in refining it as soon as we have the national economical figures

 

[Josephus I]

My mistake on the "party affiliation" issue; I thought that you too were in RD. My mistake and I'll correct that in my next ediiton

Look forward to working with you...

 

[Pero Coveilha]

OOC

Could you guys give a background to your characters?
For instance, I'm a railwayman and I schedule to specialize myself in the transportation issue. Could you do the same (the union scope is really big, so you have a lot of choice)?
That's no obligation, but I think it would give some depth to our activities. Eventually, one of you could be employed in an existing enterprise (one of the media, or the shipping corporation...)

 

[unmerged(6034)]

If you accept me, you can now consider me as a member of the ECL.

I think too we should participate in discussions without join any coalition.