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Tem_Probe said:
Last session, Joohoo harassed us for about 30m before we gave him an answer and it was ruled that there were no rules protecting the AI, including that one. I remembered it, and Cas seems to remember it also considering his reaction today(Oh, it was AI? nevermind). My truce breaking(with AI) was perfectly legal as it had been authorised last session.

Ill change it then.
 

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Tem_Probe said:
Last session, Joohoo harassed us for about 30m before we gave him an answer and it was ruled that there were no rules protecting the AI, including that one. I remembered it, and Cas seems to remember it also considering his reaction today(Oh, it was AI? nevermind). My truce breaking(with AI) was perfectly legal as it had been authorised last session.
Seconded.
 

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Oi, terrible session. I'm reconsidering my decision to be nice and not cut off the corridor. As if I had a chance.
 
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Casluerj said:
Sure, you're the new perm. When Arco is back (and if he back) he'll get NL...

Also find a new France. I'm really unhappy with the way things have gone and have decided to take a break from EU. Faello has a country I guess! :wacko:
 

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fraese said:
Also find a new France. I'm really unhappy with the way things have gone and have decided to take a break from EU. Faello has a country I guess! :wacko:

Wha? It's just one war Fraese, you've beaten Austria before, he just took a couple provinces back, you still have net more than him I believe.
 

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Sterkarm said:
Wha? It's just one war Fraese, you've beaten Austria before, he just took a couple provinces back, you still have net more than him I believe.

It's more just frustration with the amount of work I put into diplomacy and planning being nullified by subs and absences. It's just not worth it to me to continue; I'm too frusturated by the same scenario playing out repeatedly where I invest in a game only to have the experience diminished by random subs refusing to honour agreements or behaving irrationally, or critical roster spots being empty (NL being in the first war would have made it impossible for Cas to peace out for free)

Anyway, no hard feelings. There is lots of interest in this game and my resignation shouldn't affect the rest of you too much.
 

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Yes, EU2 is an abysmally frustrating MP experience much of the time. Too oft, are the times I can count myself getting shortchanged by superficial player changes and subs. It is indeed the time lost that usually hurts the most. But take it in perspective, if you can stomach losing wars and suffering 'unfair' setbacks you are halfway to being twice the player most are.

Recovery and endurance are the bedmate skills of Diplomacy. Take this as the RP'd terror of unpredictability in real world affairs, of madmen reaching the throne ;) .

To lose a reliable player at this point though, would be a blow. We are consistently struggling as it is, nor is your war (materially) that terrible. You lost 2 provinces you took earlier (no net loss), and made Austria inflate more then 2x as much as France. Temu, on the other hand has been truly hardpressed but I get the feeling he intends to stick around ... make it past 1800 Fraese, win or lose it will feel better.
 
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Tem_Probe said:
My guess? A session of occupation and plunder of two entire country every year. One of the things that is not well accounted, and that is the result of most lag loans, is always plunder. You probably got say, half of what it showed you gained from it, so your treasury was never as high as it appeared to be. Result: The manufactories were paid by loans. That's my enlightened guess.

This makes the most sense. The session before, this also happened. I had 800D at the end displayed, and then ended with only 600D in stats, and of course I also reaped a lot of money that session from loot. I'm going to assume this was the problem.

18 lag loans amounts to 3600D. I screwed up pretty badly here, but I think this could pretty easily be seen as a bug. But, since everyone will be aware of it now and won't be able to take advantage of it in the way I did and then ask for bug compensation, I only want to get rid of the loans via edit through England's own current resources, plus maybe a little more from interests that have already cost a lot of money. And perhaps cut down the interests on the remaining loans, if that's not too much :). I'll be assessing what in all I'm able to handle, perhaps I'll be able to pay for 4-5 of them with my own census taxes.
 

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Since people here seem uninformed, Arcorelli is having problems connecting to games these days. I know this because he was unable to sub for a vic game last weekend, despite our best efforts.
 

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Since people here seem uninformed, Arcorelli is having problems connecting to games these days. I know this because he was unable to sub for a vic game last weekend, despite our best efforts.

I agree. Arco have problems with his computer. He is rather reliable otherwise.
 
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fraese said:
It's more just frustration with the amount of work I put into diplomacy and planning being nullified by subs and absences. It's just not worth it to me to continue; I'm too frusturated by the same scenario playing out repeatedly where I invest in a game only to have the experience diminished by random subs refusing to honour agreements or behaving irrationally, or critical roster spots being empty (NL being in the first war would have made it impossible for Cas to peace out for free)

Anyway, no hard feelings. There is lots of interest in this game and my resignation shouldn't affect the rest of you too much.
Agh, cmon :(.
I am on the same line as K'shar. Approximately 10% of pre-game planning works out as intended. You really should get used to it :).

France is in a very good position currently, so i cant really see any game situation reasons for quitting.
See it through! Come out on top!
 

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fraese said:
Also find a new France. I'm really unhappy with the way things have gone and have decided to take a break from EU. Faello has a country I guess! :wacko:
Please don't go Fraese :(...

And lol with KJ and his plundering :rofl: I was flipping about him able to build those refineries with his income
 

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Fraese,

If you want to leave everytime that things didnt happen the way you planned you wont play EU2 MP...

On the other hand, you still have conquered Artois and Hainault and have half of North Germany under your control and a much more stable country than mine, in the moment.

I hope you stay with us, but do whatever pleases you.
 

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It's always bad to decide to quit right after an absurdly annoying session ends but I tend to do it anyway.

In the clear light of day I couldn't think of what else to do Saturday mornings so I guess I'll stick with it. If only to see Caslu pay for his sins :p
 

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fraese said:
It's always bad to decide to quit right after an absurdly annoying session ends but I tend to do it anyway.

In the clear light of day I couldn't think of what else to do Saturday mornings so I guess I'll stick with it. If only to see Caslu pay for his sins :p

So are you staying with us? Great!

BTW, what sins? until now I've only be attacked by you and could only defend myself. Two times. In the first I lost 3 lands! In the second I at least managed to get one back. Also it was me the one who always tried to reach somekind of diplomatic agreement. So I hardly see what sin I've made. However, you still have to pay for yours :p
 

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*King of France ignores Austria's insane ramblings*

BTW, if Venice has a new player, I hope he will join the EGA forum and contribute as Arcorelli has done.