K'shar said:Betrayels and backstabs in moderation are ok (and fun), but not on this scale, they are what they are, but to say that I can basically trust not a single persons solemn word looks bad, and that is the situation we have.
Well, I usually think that they are going to follow their word, but I try to have my back covered in case of -well- betrayal.
K'shar said:Wrong, to be honest the dutch DOW and recent acts made the situation even more untenable. He blocked England from helping me as he would like, he used the French fleet and then left it too be defeated, he vassalized nations that were targets for France and therefore protects them. He was supposed to neutralize the Iberian front and therefore advised tahtDavout pull away to help Prussia, and so he did. However, by peacing Spain-Port while my men were on the otherside of the globe he killed any initiative I had on that front. End Result = worse then Dutch neutrality and England being my actual ally as he ought to have been..
He told you to move Davout out? Tem, you are evil
K'shar said:Hehe, you need your head examined. I said you did it for fun no? thats the reason and thats what you said. Samething as extending the game...
Well, but as you said it sounded like
K'shar said:1) SPA deserved to be marginalized for his collective acts, morals shouldn't play into your judgement![]()
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It was not morals what it was part of my argument. But that leaving RUS+HAB alone it was too much for the end game.
K'shar said:2) C'mon, as is clear they were mainly in it (or unintentionally for England) for the short term gains, they never fronted clear alliance objectives to win the war for all parties ... those aren't allies in my book. So no, it would still have effectivily left France vs. Austria, Russia, Spain as it basically was today (+Portugal) ... and that cannot be argued....
Yep, that was today. I am not arguing that, I am telling you what I thought it could happen, basically that NL+ENG could not -in the last 20 years of the game- continue the 'strike fast, win and peace'. I expected, as I told you, to suffer this session. I didn't think that I could go that easy as losing a COT (balanced with taking other) and vassalization.
BTW, Cas, Tem did not win the game. No idea why people follow the 'whoever is strongest at the last session played won'. France dominated the game 200 years, a coalition of 4 countries was needed to bring to her knees. I do not know how it could be discussed that K' won the game.
(Fnuco, HG created Fritaly, Frengland and I believe Frutch some other game)