Europe's Golden Age 5: The Golden Age is Back

[Joohoo]

The game is not over yet

 

[Casluerj]

We won late game. We practically rolled over everyone. Imho, had we actually played the Nappy period, I could have defeated you 1-on-1 despite your leader and my lack-of, however, you did dominate Central Europe most of the game. So guess you could call it almost a 3-way tie.

Yes... I sad the muslim alliance could have won... But this is just another prove of what I said: You guys should have worked really together if you planned to beat me.

From other EGA3 players:

So, if that's right, france won. Plus, nappy leaders were on the way, so I think we can safely declare a winner. Good job Caslu, I say we start a new thread ASAP.

I will never publically front a decleration of winners for a game ... not my style, but for myself the mate i'm most impressed with is Cas

If You still want winner, I could offer my opinion. Cas is the master of power. Power, pure raw power is the the main characteristic of EGA3 France. K'shar is the master of diplomacy - power of OE is undisputable but main characteristic of OE is brilliant long term strategy of when and how to join a particular conflict. Congratulations, both of You have done a great, great job

In EGA2 also it was a tie between my England and K'shars Spain. While in EGA4 it was a Tem's victory, as you said. My point was that, everyone knows that K'shar rocks in Economy and Diplomacy. If he was also a warlord he would have won easily all those games. Which he didnt. I still think that warfare is K'shars weak point. But that is my opnion and that is it.

Well, I don't want to be mean or anything, but Cas is sort of getting an habit of expanding essentially by targetting who's weaker than him, and avoiding longterm fights with someone who is his equal. Not that its a bad strategy or anything, but he spent most of this campaign avoiding fights with anyone that had a chance to dent his armor if he could.

This is not true. I am the one who more fought France in this game, after KJ. And I am always fighting K'shar, as everybody knows. However, finish off one ally of my main enemy (France), is a good thing and it was what I did.

I doubt Nab would leave K'shar. And he wouldnt change side. So I tried to weak him as much as I could, so now he is a small problem. Even if he beat me in a war he'll have to claim those English lands first.


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Brazil 1 vs 0 Croatia

 

[Tem_Probe]

I want to laugh but I am constant reminded of my own Spain in my own game. I am the new Elio.

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...season=Valkyrie.net IV&lang=eng&yearsave=1740

Look up Russian inflation, income and techs, and then say that again.

 

[Joohoo]

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...season=Valkyrie.net IV&lang=eng&yearsave=1740

Look up Russian inflation, income and techs, and then say that again.

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ason=Valkyrie.net VIII&lang=eng&yearsave=1668
I don't want to break your fun but take a look at Spain and laugh in my face. :rofl: o o o

Edit: gold can make one very greedy...

 

[Casluerj]

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ason=Valkyrie.net VIII&lang=eng&yearsave=1668
I don't want to break your fun but take a look at Spain and laugh in my face. :rofl: o o o

From that 40%, 15% were because of the 2 events.

For what you minted 25%?

 

[Tem_Probe]

From that 40%, 15% were because of the 2 events.

For what you minted 25%?

He was unable to control gold inflation most likely, that's all.

 

[Joohoo]

From that 40%, 15% were because of the 2 events.

For what you minted 25%?

Colonies, sent gifts to friends and mostly wars to defend Italy from France(didn't want another EU2 game with uber France) and Venice. Well I blinded myself.

 

[Joohoo]

He was unable to control gold inflation most likely, that's all.

Still got problem with it...

 

[Tem_Probe]

I don't want to break your fun but take a look at Spain and laugh in my face. :rofl: o o o

Edit: gold can make one very greedy...

Yeah Joo, but you have a decent income now. You should be able to lower your inflation as time goes by.

 

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can anyone give me a linky to EGA3? im curious to see the master of inflation at work.

 

[Tem_Probe]

can anyone give me a linky to EGA3? im curious to see the master of inflation at work.

This is the stats at the end of session he left the game:
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...season=Valkyrie.net IV&lang=eng&yearsave=1740

And this is the game thread:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172876

 

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You have an interesting way of looking at things.

I think that Caslu experiments with that old saying "if you repeat something that is not true for long enough it will become truth".

I doubt Nab would leave K'shar. And he wouldnt change side. So I tried to weak him as much as I could, so now he is a small problem. Even if he beat me in a war he'll have to claim those English lands first.


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Brazil 1 vs 0 Croatia

I wouldn't even fight you if you haven't tried to destroy Sweden and England one at the time which, in the end, sucedded. You betrayed K'shar and his generous help in money for the sake of destroying England and grabbing few CoTs. We will see if it will be profitable even in money, not to mention reputation.

Aye congratulations on victory.

Damn Prso and his inaccurate shots!

Errr... I would rather curse Emersson and his dirty game. He made 8 or 9 fouls in one half. Other then that, I expected more from dream team. The fact remains that Brasil was stopped in its tracks when we had all players. Nonetheless it was Dida's day. Whereever we would shoot he would be there.

Well, he ensured that Welly+Nelson will be used against Spain. And he ensured that, apart of fighting France, he got another enemy. Small maybe, but that it can become a serious annoyance.

Agreed.

One fact mentioned above, he certainly has attacked everyone around him while still pulling in the sheep to aid him against france. Great guile and deception. He's a master of it.

Aye, if I haven't saw it I would never belive it.

K'shar is not a dishonorable diplomatician imo just what to say? Sneaky, he got so many plans behind every decision I made with him, I get confused.

But maybe it is my own skills that is the problem :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

Well you are not angel yourself.

Do you really think there was a chance of Nab changing sides or staying neutral in nappy times? It was going to be like that either way- at least now Caslu has a good chance of keeping him down(at least, that is, if we can deal with France soon!).

No there was no chance of me changing sides but I was on Caslu's side. Now, that has changed.

Don't let your inteligence disappoint me now. There is no 'we'. There is only uber weak Austria and uber strong Spain who doesn't give a shit about you or your perception of 'we'. You got only beating while Spain grabbed 4 CoTs using your fanatism and other skills for his benefit. Or benefit of the game in his dictionary.

*This is not an attack and any person who finds himself offended with this constatation should take into consideration that I'm speaking about my perception of what is going on.

Actually, England should had followed suit at the time of Spanish betrayal.

Thx, but no thanks. Although it wasn't intentional I did something like that only to be betrayed by the same person I was gonna ally. It would happen anyway since this Spain is in hunt for whomever he can hunt.

"My right is driven in, my center is giving way, the situation is excellent, I attack." —Marshal Ferdinand Foch

Fits his playstyle correctly. Always optimistic. If he isn't defeated, then he must be winning somehow.

You should put that back in your signature KJ

hehe, yes, I agree wholeheartedly

Look up Russian inflation, income and techs, and then say that again.

Not to mention strategy and tactics. After pause of more then 4 years it was my first invasion in new EUII. Whole game was very weird. There were some strange blue lines across the map, France expected me to walk across the water of English channel like Jesus and AI declined loan proposals despite my knowledge of all bugs.

So I placed large army on the frontier of BB and went carefully into Russian territory with 35k. They walked slowly towards Moscowy for some time and then besieged it. Assault was succesfull and Russia surrendered soon. There were some minor clashes with Russian troops but war was the cheapest one in my MP history.

I thought; what a bunch of incompetents! I wish I was right.

EDIT: It was alliance war with Ear in Sweden but still...

 

[arcorelli]

Arco, you may be right about England. But there are always two factors to consider in diplomatic assessment- the country's situation, and the mindset of the player. Nabuko is very loyal, has always been in every game i've played with him.

A veritable character flaw I see

 

[K'shar]

In EGA2 also it was a tie between my England and K'shars Spain. While in EGA4 it was a Tem's victory, as you said. My point was that, everyone knows that K'shar rocks in Economy and Diplomacy. If he was also a warlord he would have won easily all those games. Which he didnt. I still think that warfare is K'shars weak point. But that is my opnion and that is it.

Meh. OE genearally cant beat France 1v1. As for EGA2 ... Spain dominated it, england was a paltry shadow if you remember (I had the MP/wealth of you France-England combined and held off both your uberleader quite easily). As for warfare, as I said I only rank Tem/KJ up there in this match ... against you, I eat you for lunch .

In other words, in EGA5 the financial side of my brain only sets greater casualties estimates when fighting John really ... and is aware that fighting Tem will be no downhill battle. As for the rest, the tactical branch has no fear that it can hold the initiative with equal men and attention Notice how well France got thru the war (economically/rebel speaking) ... this is a requirement of skill in war as well.

So long as i'm not fighting in 10 places at once against superior enemy forces I will remain confident. Not to say I don't think I can get much better at every facet of my game.

 

[Casluerj]

I eat you for lunch

You never ate me for lunch in anything we've played. Any EGA, any nappy (which I won everytime I play against you) and even in the single Age of revollution we played (which i beat you seriously too).

In last war, with superior CRT and Broglie, in peace with Netherland and leaving Austrian front you also couldnt defeat me even with a nation much more richer and with more than double of my MP.

To be arrogant you must be very good.

EDIT: About EGA2, well, dont forget that you have Austria-Sweden and Poland on your side and English MP sucks. And wealth, well, only by gold mines...

 

[arcorelli]

In last war, with superior CRT and Broglie, in peace with Netherland and leaving Austrian front you also couldnt defeat me even with a nation much more richer and with more than double of my MP.

To be arrogant you must be very good.

Er. no CRT advantage when NL was peaced. And I doubt that the austrian front was let alone -otherwise, we could had saw ottoman and austrian troops further in Italy.

BTW, we are seriously displeased that Spain saw fine to mention everyone at war, excepting for Portugal. Given that -at some point- Portugal got +99 alone WS against France, we think that we gave a lot of WS to Spain to do whatever they could had wanted.

 

[K'shar]

You never ate me for lunch in anything we've played. Any EGA, any nappy (which I won everytime I play against you) and even in the single Age of revollution we played (which i beat you seriously too).

In last war, with superior CRT and Broglie, in peace with Netherland and leaving Austrian front you also couldnt defeat me even with a nation much more richer and with more than double of my MP.

To be arrogant you must be very good.

EDIT: About EGA2, well, dont forget that you have Austria-Sweden and Poland on your side and English MP sucks. And wealth, well, only by gold mines...

Hehe caslu. In nappy you are always France ... so far I have only played Nappy's where France wins ... it requires that all her enemies are good to pull it off otherwise. In AoR you were Prussia with freddie ... and would only play till 1780 or so, not that hard to win when France has no leaders .

About last session, you must be totally out too lunch. I almost always had half my army in Austria Cas, and you had portugal constantly sieging me and taking land away left and right ... so I had no more then 250mp growth aimed at you not to mention that the oceans were cut off to me because of Portugal. Fighting on anothers terrain against superior numbers (yep you had the numbers) I decided to peace you out becaues it was a mistake by you to offer such a lenient peace. Though I see how I should have just remained at war while your empire crumbled around you, so that you could learn a valuable lesson in management

Anyhow, any EGA war you won? You lost many wars in EGA2, in EGA3 the Ottomans were many times more powerful then it ought to be while France was as it should be come the revolution, in EGA4 England was the dominant state for 200 yrs till Frederick and some evil randome with 7 shock landed on our shores, Russia was a footnote abandoned by you at that time. As for wealth in EGA2, no I had more trade and production and tax then England. I should have been rolled over by a french-english alliance as Spain ... how you plan on spinning that off positivly is something only you might be able to do Finally EGA5, I seem to remember you being beaten twice decisively by France this game, and once at least by Holland ... there is probably more ... or yeah the OE too.

This is getting toasty fun, i'd say Spanish success in EGA5 has been like Tem said a matter of easy conquests. Especially the last 30 yrs that have seen Spain gain 3 COTs to varying acts of betrayel and bribery , while France won it's battles at least legitimatly in the east or in the south against you.

edit: you make it sound like the peace at the end of last session was a Spanish victory, concluded by superior tactics. Keep in mind I was basically fighting 3-1 :rofl: no CRT adv, and MP disadv. , if you need that to make you feel you are outmanuevering your foes ... be my guest

 

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Pistols at dawn seems the only way to settle this

 

[Casluerj]

Hehe caslu. In nappy you are always France ... so far I have only played Nappy's where France wins ... it requires that all her enemies are good to pull it off otherwise. In AoR you were Prussia with freddie ... and would only play till 1780 or so, not that hard to win when France has no leaders .

I've already seen lots of nappies where France lost... you should play it more. About AoR, then I'll give you a chance, lets do the inverse. You are Prussia and me France and see if you can beat me the way I did. And we only played until 1780 because you didnt want to go further.

About last session, you must be totally out too lunch. I almost always had half my army in Austria Cas, and you had portugal constantly sieging me and taking land away left and right ... so I had no more then 250mp growth aimed at you not to mention that the oceans were cut off to me because of Portugal. Fighting on anothers terrain against superior numbers (yep you had the numbers) I decided to peace you out becaues it was a mistake by you to offer such a lenient peace. Though I see how I should have just remained at war while your empire crumbled around you, so that you could learn a valuable lesson in management

K'shar, I had RM with Austria. France was entirely against Spain two sessions ago. Portugal? When you had the CRT advantage the only thing Portugal did was to help me a bit in Iberia, not sieging but in battles.

In all offensives your attacking army was much, much, much bigger than mine. In the first offensive Broglie had twice my number. And you still failed...

Anyhow, any EGA war you won? You lost many wars in EGA2, in EGA3 the Ottomans were many times more powerful then it ought to be while France was as it should be come the revolution, in EGA4 England was the dominant state for 200 yrs till Frederick and some evil randome with 7 shock landed on our shores, Russia was a footnote abandoned by you at that time. As for wealth in EGA2, no I had more trade and production and tax then England. I should have been rolled over by a french-english alliance as Spain ... how you plan on spinning that off positivly is something only you might be able to do Finally EGA5, I seem to remember you being beaten twice decisively by France this game, and once at least by Holland ... there is probably more ... or yeah the OE too.

When I said that I won all EGA war? Cant remember any war lost in EGA2. In EGA3 OE was indeed strong, but could only survive with Mughals. And even this way France could have won if we had play on.

In EGA4???! Ah C'mon... Russia was the most ubber strong super nation in the world until you build a gang of 5-1 vs me, K'shar... It is when you can beat me in the battlefield... bringing another player.

EGA5, beaten decively? Well, I beat decisively France in the first war (getting 3 french lands) and then beat decisively France later (getting 3 javan lands). You only beat Spain (at least controlled by me) once. And just because you werent alone. You brought Portugal into. Hardly a Spain in the final XVII century (the darkest spanish hour) can beat a combination of France (with Turenne, who you used) and a really strong Portugal (we all know that Portugal is a power in this MOD). But if you want to use this as a legimit victory, go ahead

About defeat against NL. Yes, I was, but I only gave the Chinese COT to Tem because I see you building up planning a war agaisnt me, that happened immediatly after the peace as I thought.

Keep in mind I was basically fighting 3-1

3-1?!? Well, I thought it was a 4 vs 4 (Austria, Spain, Portugal and OE) against France, England, Poland and Prussia)... but well, whatever...

 

[Casluerj]

Er. no CRT advantage when NL was peaced. And I doubt that the austrian front was let alone -otherwise, we could had saw ottoman and austrian troops further in Italy.

BTW, we are seriously displeased that Spain saw fine to mention everyone at war, excepting for Portugal. Given that -at some point- Portugal got +99 alone WS against France, we think that we gave a lot of WS to Spain to do whatever they could had wanted.

Er, yes CRT advantage when NL was peaced. You would know if you were playing that session... And yes Austrian front was left alone when Austria was overrun by Poland and Prussia (probably because K'shar thought that Austria wasnt a threat anymore).

When I said that, Arco? I remember thanking you in my AAR and in PM. Portugal was very important last session to Spain. But you peace separately and I had to use my own WS.