Europe's Golden Age 4 ... (EGA4 Finally!!!)

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Ok first a situation report to Cas:
Well the Golden Horde have been annexed, and the pathway to Siberia has been opened, although not too much colonising has been done as I had to convert quite a few provinces. You can see to Angara and most of Khazak, Sibir land although the conquistador got killed by some evil natives so it is not as well explored as it could be. Pskov has been vassilesed eventually and the teutonic order were partitioned with Russia getting Polotsk, Kexholm was succesfully converted so there are no catholic groups in your gloroius realm. You have 3 armies of about 25K with a random leader called Patton (5-5-5) :rofl: and a historical one with 4-3-3-1. You also have a FAA in Moscow and sliders are similiar to the start except 2 steps towards centralised and very strong serfdom (price for the FAA not sure if you wanted serfdom or not, but come on it is a free manufactory ). However I had some rather awful random events, 3 unhappiness amongst the peasentry and 2 nobles ally with a foriegn power and a corruption event so stab is at -3 however it takes less than a year to recover 1 stab so it isn't sooo bad. I was also about to attack Crimea after finally getting him out of my alliance when we stopped so an army is ready there.
And you have 0% inflation


I would like to keep playing with you guys but I can't keep playing after the end time so keep that in mind, so if you need someone to fill a spot that would be great, If frank is quitting as venice , i wouldn't mind playing as them

 

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in the future will Venice be played by a human or AI?

 

[Frank XIV]

in the future will Venice be played by a human or AI?

The fuck is that everyone gangbanged Venice by dowing him or cutted his cores provinces next to his capitol. First of all, Fnuco, even if you had an Italian culture you has no interests in Italia at this time. I tough we had an agreement on Marche and you took Romagna, cutting all my supplies in Italia. And you refused any talks on it. Annexed Firenze and financing Naples with they had now a 46k army. During this time, as I expected, you hardly failed with your explorers in America. Very bad.

It is the way we have fun in a game I don't think its the best to get it. I hope it was the first and the last time I play with you. I worked hard to let you play with us yesterday and its the way to thanks me?!

Secondly I signed an Military alliance with OE and without advice he dowed me in the back. Very cheapless. For Lombardia, Austria knows that is belong to Venice but he annexed it.

So if you want to continue to have a Venice I think some things need to be clear before next session and edits will do.

 

[K'shar]

Yeah, nice game play session though we could have done with some less crashes and a start and end on time o Who subbed me anyway?

We played just under a year without you ... as the OE player didn't seem fit to obey me and limit his invasion of the mamluks ... you'll be getting compensating edits to wage war with grave success next session. I warned the OE of this during the session so it won't come as any surprise.

stats: (names etc. may need to be edited, and I think for some reason a nation didn't get posted)

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...=ic&season=Valkyrie.net VI&lang=eng&choicet=4

 

[Joohoo]

We played just under a year without you ... as the OE player didn't seem fit to obey me and limit his invasion of the mamluks ... you'll be getting compensating edits to wage war with grave success next session. I warned the OE of this during the session so it won't come as any surprise.

stats: (names etc. may need to be edited, and I think for some reason a nation didn't get posted)

http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...=ic&season=Valkyrie.net VI&lang=eng&choicet=4

I like my stats but they must get better

 

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K'shar, is it possible I can get a wp?

 

[Formula51]

Seems we forgot the all-important Mughals.

I don't think a WP is in order, unless you allow OE to keep fighting with the mams.

Also, K'shar, we need to talk on 1) Which cultures I get, and 2) the governors and a reduction in inflation to make up for the unfairness.

 

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I don't think a WP is in order, unless you allow OE to keep fighting with the mams.

Seeing how he dow'ed me a few minutes before I'd leave (and he knew that very well) and how he seem to have ignored co-GM's requests it isnt all the unbased I think. Anyway, I was just asking. If overall wp cant be done, could I transfer some of my edits to poor ol mams? They have suffered a lot while I was away it seems

 

[K'shar]

As per the player situation: Yordlama seems to have left as he couldn't stomach the late start .... Remember what time the game starts next time people, one hour earlier for many of you.

Jamala had to leave but wishes to continue, Von Diplo I think wishes to continue, Frank wanted to play but became very discouraged by pressure from Austria/OE/Spain. However, as the friend of Austria and with what will be an undoubtedly weaker OE then normal ... Venice still has a good chance to be a viable power.

So we need Veneto filled, and Denmark (that i kept alive for one session) both could get some edits to make them a little more competitive again. Again Persia will also get some edits.

The game started about 1 hour late (not unexpectadly), because of a general confusion about DST. Then another 30 mins as there was an issue with the edited scenario file that tem fixed. So all in all it was a not a to untypical first session for a group this large .

The game went well with some healthy wars and leaders that were a tad to good , and had rather interesting names :wacko: . For next session we will reduce the amount of leaders and avg. stats somewhat.

Now for a quick synopsis: BB expanded well at first into north germany but was then (rather wisely) humbled by poland, though he managed to weasel his way out of surrending any land.

Veneto attempted to expand into Italy on a natural route ... Spain however was unimpressed and stunted Venetian growth by taking Marche and Siena?. The OE seemed at first to have signed an interesting alliance with Venice but then digressed into the typical France/OE balance alliance by attacking Venice (and Austria) during the french wars with England. Austria managed to hold the Ottoman advance, but Venice lost Corfu and Crete. Besides this, the Ottomans battled against the Persians for the Mamluks, though the Mamluk situation is still far from decided.

Your Russia Cas, studiously followed your instructions and is now one of the most powerful states around.

Austria expanded rapidly into southern Germany and seems to have ensured a direct route to the low countries ... further disouraging any French advances there. While in Alliance with England ... we feel someewhat miffed by their greater interest in re-dowing the palatinate for -5 stab then helping us out.

Now for the English situation: Starting the game, there was naturally little to do as the English state, hypertech and maybe take out Scotland. At this point England stood at a crucial crossroads, either be the typical arse and just turn away from the continent at this early point (economically the wisest path), therefore making a deal of Scotland for Calais with France or by sticking my neck out for the continent and trying to reel in the extremely powerful nation that early game france is in this scen.

Well I had decided on the second course and demanded not only freedom to conquer Scotland but 500 ducats for Calais. Nab being the stone aged babylonian that he is ... declined. Now, England had assumed that his early game alliance with Austria/Spain was a secure one and they realized that he was doing them a favour. Five minutes in I realized that Spain had just misled us and had been bought off by France ... while doing a very mediocre job of masking this turn of policy. Austra and England allied and with the English move on Scotland in 1496 France went to war with England and Austria. Not interested in a war were Austria would get pummeled (what would occur now without Spain as an ally and actually as an enemy) I informed Nab that if he didn't invade England proper I wouldn't call on Austria. So the English Army marched into Scotland while the Navy patrolled the seas. After smashing the main Scottish Army and chasing their king north we realized that the French had garrisoned a force of over 40,000 men under Foix in Scotland. This army moved to attack the moment we arrived in the province of Lothian, after a fiercely contested battle the English withdrew.

So was the character of the war for the next 9 years, France continually reinforcing Scotland (occupying Calais) dodging English fleets, and holding scotland as it was difficult land to campaign in and caused grave attrition to the English as well. All in all France managed to hold Scotland but took substantially higher casualties (that are basically negated by English attrition losses) losing some 250k men in the war to Englands 90k, though we lost another 90k to other reasons. After chasing the French ghost fleet many times Anne (randome leader) finally caught them outside of Glascow and chased them all he way back to France, this occured several times and played a great part in the French decision to eventually abandon scotland (NAb lost bout half his fleet). At one point Nab invaded England (in a fit of desperation I assume) and the English called on Austria, with their agreement to enter, however a year passed with no aid (fighting an AI minor is not really a viable excuse). However it appeared that in the plains of central england that the French were at a sever disadvantage and lost a 30k force for marginal English casualties. Just when the tide appeared to turn the French gained a CRT lead over England upsetting English offensives once again.

However, by this point Nab had realized that this war had cost France far to much and agreed to abadon Scotland for Calais and pay an additional 215d for Calais (after much haggling ). So the English economy stands ruined (war cost me about 2500 ducats in direct cost and 1000 in losses) however, France certainly didn't gain either from this war. At this point though, the English councils feel that the lack of appreciation for slowing France down in the first 14 years of the game (france made no other territorial gains) is ample reason enough to withdraw from continent for the time being.

Cas, setup an AAR thread please.

edit: excuse the typos and lax grammar ... i wrote this in under 10 mins.

 

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Well, yes it was war of attrition where two stubborn bulls didn't want to give peace a chance :rofl:

England was slowing France's expansion and France was slowing England's expansion - in a way it was the end battle of 100 years war where Franch couldn't win. Since Scotland DOW-ed England and was leader of alliance any attempt to invade England was futile. If I have conquered half of England it could still peace with Scotland for money dropping me out of war immediately. So we decided to kill almost half a million people and our treasuries :rofl:

At the end France has Calais, no inflation and has a land tech 10 while the same couldn't be said for England (6). So, all in all, price England paid for stubbornly holding to Calais is horrifing. Any diplomatic backstabbing was intercepted and England was on it's own. From my point of wiew France had no real choice and England has done a splendid job of giving a headache to stone aged babylonian descendant

Concerning 500 gp that K'shar proposed for Calais - well.... - 3500 gp + 215 = -3275 and no Calais, no Scotland, no american colonies, no land tech, yes inflation, yes war attrition, yes rebels, no stability, no army :rofl:

Want another trade K'shar?

 

[K'shar]

Well, yes it was war of attrition where two stubborn bulls didn't want to give peace a chance :rofl:

England was slowing France's expansion and France was slowing England's expansion - in a way it was the end battle of 100 years war where Franch couldn't win. Since Scotland DOW-ed England and was leader of alliance any attempt to invade England was futile. If I have conquered half of England it could still peace with Scotland for money dropping me out of war immediately. So we decided to kill almost half a million people and our treasuries :rofl:

At the end France has Calais, no inflation and has a land tech 10 while the same couldn't be said for England (6). So, all in all, price England paid for stubbornly holding to Calais is horrifing. Any diplomatic backstabbing was intercepted and England was on it's own. From my point of wiew France had no real choice and England has done a splendid job of giving a headache to stone aged babylonian descendant

Concerning 500 gp that K'shar proposed for Calais - well.... - 3500 gp + 215 = -3275 and no Calais, no Scotland, no american colonies, no land tech, yes inflation, yes war attrition, yes rebels, no stability, no army :rofl:

Want another trade K'shar?

Well fighting a state with 3 times the manpower and twice the wealth is never pretty, nor a good idea.

For clarification: scotland was never the issue (it was french stubborness), the lack of colonial development is due to the option all the land powers made us take (i've had 2.5 yrs of explorer time so far all i'll have for the next 50yrs), though spain not taking mexico is also a good indicator(or did i miss that event?). I did disover 80% of the American coast I just haven't spammed it yet. Calais I never really wanted, except perhaps for some financial extortion. No stab: -4 from events. No army: waste of money for england. Land tech: coming . 2% inflation: A natural minting target of mine (paid for the war). Best of all, a France that is no stronger then in 1492 . As for exploration ...... i'll have to take more sureptitious routes to that aim I guess . Yes you are right about one thing, the war does to a good job of masking the English position: my wealth was about 550 pre-war so once my stab goes up and WE down i'll be good as new , I hope.

 

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could i have a copy of the savegame file pls?
email in the sig... thanks!

EDIT: oh, about aztecs... was too busy fighting in europe and africa... sorry about that... my conquistador died in a skirmish with some rebels, but i have a leader on his way... should be in the azores about now if i am not mistaken...

 

[Frank XIV]

Jamala had to leave but wishes to continue, Von Diplo I think wishes to continue, Frank wanted to play but became very discouraged by pressure from Austria/OE/Spain. However, as the friend of Austria and with what will be an undoubtedly weaker OE then normal ... Venice still has a good chance to be a viable power.

OE wins the in their two wars against us and no I wasn't at discourage, only furious about the way which Venice began with. As I said in the game that everything was written before the game when we are 14 to play. Starter weak ones are better chances to disapear before the majors one. But nothing answered me about why this grouped and concentrated force against Venice to destroy it at start when they are weak and poor when we have plenties of AI to felt down and exploration to do?

Unexpected? Maybe.

So we need Veneto filled, and Denmark (that i kept alive for one session) both could get some edits to make them a little more competitive again. Again Persia will also get some edits.

I have mine and I think its fair. Romagna and Corfu to Venice. Marche to Spain. Lombardia to Venice. Or find an other perm.

Veneto attempted to expand into Italy on a natural route ... Spain however was unimpressed and stunted Venetian growth by taking Marche and Siena?

Heh, Spain hasn't nothing to do best elsewhere it seems. America is open!

 

[Casluerj]

Its appears that it was a very good a funny session... unfortunetly I wasnt there

Frank, if I understand right, you are leaving because everyone is against you, arent you? I dont think this is a reason to leave. Why not do some diplomacy and throw one of your enemies against the other. IN this competitive world you can do that. Also now that Venice is weak, everyone will look at you with more benevolence so It's time to expand

K'shar, thanks for the quick talk about last session! Also I would like to know if you GUYS want me to create a AAR thread or this thread will do both jobs: Adiministrative and AAR-Diplomatic thread like it was with EGA3.

GUYS listen carefully: Exceptionally this week, that I lost the session, K'shar will be responsible to decide what edits should or should not be done. I am saying this because is very unfair that I, that wasnt involved in the game and still trying to understand the diplomatic situation to decide anything. So any request to K'shar plz. Next week things will be normal again.

Dr. Bob, Thx for you hard work. I didnt check the save file yet but i can see it was a great job. And plz join us... IIRC, Sweden, Denmark and maybe Venice (depends on Frank's decision) are still open.

Jamala plz take OE, it is yours.

 

[Casluerj]

Updated first post with Joo's feedback.

 

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Also I would like to know if you GUYS want me to create a AAR thread or this thread will do both jobs: Adiministrative and AAR-Diplomatic thread like it was with EGA3.

browsed the EGA3 thread, seemed nice, but maybe a separate AAr and diplo thread would be maybe cleaner and more fun to watch...

Just a thought...

 

[Frank XIV]

Srry Cas but I'll not even do it anymore. This were crappy and insane at beginning. Also I don't want to loose my time and be a weak minor.

Diplo? You want to know where my diplo's gone? Just read my first post and you'll see how its happened. Don't want to be rushed by some newbies ego.

 

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Well fighting a state with 3 times the manpower and twice the wealth is never pretty, nor a good idea.

Well, it was Your idea...

For clarification: scotland was never the issue.

Noooo... Scotland is free as I can see...

I did disover 80% of the American coast I just haven't spammed it yet.

Hmmm, yes it's a wild world... all those indians...

Calais I never really wanted, except perhaps for some financial extortion.

You extorted English population very well... :rofl:

Best of all, a France that is no stronger then in 1492.

In fact it is; for Calais! And best of all, England is weaker then in 1492 - for Calais

No stab: -4 from events. No army: waste of money for england. Land tech: coming 2% inflation: A natural minting target of mine (paid for the war). As for exploration ...... i'll have to take more sureptitious routes to that aim I guess. Yes you are right about one thing, the war does to a good job of masking the English position: my wealth was about 550 pre-war so once my stab goes up and WE down i'll be good as new, I hope.

You see, I'm Your friend - without me You would never be able to mask English position and everything else will be ok. I hope. :rofl:

 

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Sweden started with 500 ducats - what to spend it on. Tax collectors? Wait, have those. Refinery? Na.. too early. Wait, ships yes. Sexy ships.

Broke vassalage with Denmark and the crazy AI dowed soon after. The Danish king was so assured of Victory he sent his troops off without giving them winter coats. Poor danes. With the help of a random naval leader they lost their navy too, though Sweden lost many ships in the process it was worth it. Wasn't allowed any land grab so peaced out for a 175 ducat compensation.

Next came to terms with Russia and Poland on the partrition of the Teutonic order and added 2 Estland and Livland to the young Swedish empire.

Domestically I moved a couple slider points in favour of free trade and offencive doctrine and kept the slider on stability (after vassalization break) and infrastructure the whole session. A couple of lag loans resulted in 1.0% inflation but the stage is ripe for an early conquest of Denmark. I hear Skane is nice this time of year, good luck to whoever takes Sweden over.

Perhaps if i'm around I'll stop by to see if you guys need me again but I doubt I'll be available most sundays. Cheers.

 

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Srry Cas but I'll not even do it anymore. This were crappy and insane at beginning. Also I don't want to loose my time and be a weak minor.

Diplo? You want to know where my diplo's gone? Just read my first post and you'll see how its happened. Don't want to be rushed by some newbies ego.

Yes, I am a newb, but I don't want you to think that my actions are results of my ego... Actually I do have a plan, but what sense would it make revealing it? As for diplomacy... well it still exists. Provinces can be sold and bought if the price is reasonable. Dont think i give up colonisation, as we speak Spain holds a city in the Caribbean and therefore a place to start an invasion against the Aztec Empire from. A leader and an army are on their way to the New World, where they will link to an army recruited there. Conquering the Aztecs is far away. It is still Spain's #1 priority, don't think my main goal in this game is giving you a hard time. I am really not an agressive player, I sincerely hate to leave that impression, i just took advantage of a situation to grab a few provinces with the right culture/religion on which i have cores. Venice's game if human-played is far from over. Diplomacy and/or force, all can be used.

Thanks and sorry for any inconvenience i caused.
I admit i might have pissed off some people in this first session but i dont think i really did THAT bad!

But all criticism is constructive, I know and i have a lot to learn until i become an experienced player like all of you.

Fnuco.