Good session... 18 years in. Only problems at the end... Missed Med. AAR coming tomorrow or sth.
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good game until Bohemia dowed AI-BB and AI-Venice dowed me.
EDIT REQEUSTS:
+1 stab to me. I had RM with BB
Peace with BB alliance
-//- Venice
Cya next week.
PS. I suck on wrinting AARs
EDIT: See I can't even spell
EDIT REQEUSTS:
+1 stab to me. I had RM with BB
Peace with BB alliance
-//- Venice
Cya next week.
PS. I suck on wrinting AARs
EDIT: See I can't even spell
sorry you had to wait for me at the end of session,
somehow i wasnt able to join in again, did ip change or something?
i hope AI didnt waste all my treasury while i was away , i was saving money for manus...
Joohoo said my AI-venice dowed austria, so please edit away the stab-hit and increased bb.
somehow i wasnt able to join in again, did ip change or something?
i hope AI didnt waste all my treasury while i was away
, i was saving money for manus...Joohoo said my AI-venice dowed austria, so please edit away the stab-hit and increased bb.
i just saw the new map and realized that OE annexed my vassal ragusa .
K´shar, didn´t you say you wanted to leave them alone?
.K´shar, didn´t you say you wanted to leave them alone?
I said rather ambiguosly and open to interpretation that I was going to knock them out of the war . Don't worry I was planning to annex them Human venice or not as when they dow'd me they were independant, I resisted the urge to steal your seige. You can ask Cas to reconfirm that when you were still in I said I was going to annex them, so you don't need to feel abused .
Here are the stats:
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...lkyrie.net IV&game=XIX&yearsave=1486&lang=eng
As you can all see from the stats and map France is making you all look like squabbling sheep around a hungry wolf. Impressive work Cas, you keep it up and you'll be one of the most Uber France's i've seen. Your size in the 1400s is close to unheard of .
. Don't worry I was planning to annex them Human venice or not as when they dow'd me they were independant, I resisted the urge to steal your seige. You can ask Cas to reconfirm that when you were still in I said I was going to annex them, so you don't need to feel abused .Here are the stats:
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...lkyrie.net IV&game=XIX&yearsave=1486&lang=eng
As you can all see from the stats and map France is making you all look like squabbling sheep around a hungry wolf. Impressive work Cas, you keep it up and you'll be one of the most Uber France's i've seen. Your size in the 1400s is close to unheard of
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K'shar said:I said rather ambiguosly and open to interpretation that I was going to knock them out of the war
Here are the stats:
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...lkyrie.net IV&game=XIX&yearsave=1486&lang=eng
As you can all see from the stats and map France is making you all look like squabbling sheep around a hungry wolf. Impressive work Cas, you keep it up and you'll be one of the most Uber France's i've seen. Your size in the 1400s is close to unheard of
No way.. a lot to be done... My goal is to make this France stronger than the one in Medieval Europe. And Dont start making the others get mad against me... You are pretty strong so far... Also Denmark and Portugal is doing really good by now.
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Just looked at the stats and noticed that Bal is missing again, I have not idea whats up as both sessions I actually put you in. Don't worry, not as Spain but Castile so it's not that. Hope for you next week mate but i'm out of ideas.
I'd like to request a few edits for my absence.
1) DP click towards innovative. I missed one cause I had to go .
2) My inflation should be 0, except for computer minting.....but I'd like it edited up to 1.5 percent and to have a refinery placed in Oldenburg. This was my initial plan anyways.
3) Make sure all my vassals are ok, they are all I have .
4) A money edit. No idea how much I lost, I leave a number up to you. If it's 0 I'm ok with it, whatever you decide Cas.
To summarize the session, much better than last week. France is getting freakishly large. Denmark has also expanded a great deal. I have to make friends with one of the great powers or one of those nations may decide I look tasty. Denmark especially may come after Mecklemburg, though I hope we remain friends.
BB has continued its expansion, but only as far as capturing Oldenburg. It was a long and painful war against Burgundy, though I suppose it will pay off in the end. I just have to get hessen and kleves to accept vassalization and I'll be good to go. BB is starting to rise up, the only question is....who will she side with? Who will her enemies be? I have to alienate someone, every one of my neighbors is my friend!!
1) DP click towards innovative. I missed one cause I had to go
.2) My inflation should be 0, except for computer minting.....but I'd like it edited up to 1.5 percent and to have a refinery placed in Oldenburg. This was my initial plan anyways.
3) Make sure all my vassals are ok, they are all I have
.4) A money edit. No idea how much I lost, I leave a number up to you. If it's 0 I'm ok with it, whatever you decide Cas.
To summarize the session, much better than last week. France is getting freakishly large. Denmark has also expanded a great deal. I have to make friends with one of the great powers or one of those nations may decide I look tasty. Denmark especially may come after Mecklemburg, though I hope we remain friends.
BB has continued its expansion, but only as far as capturing Oldenburg. It was a long and painful war against Burgundy, though I suppose it will pay off in the end. I just have to get hessen and kleves to accept vassalization and I'll be good to go. BB is starting to rise up, the only question is....who will she side with? Who will her enemies be? I have to alienate someone, every one of my neighbors is my friend!!
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England 1453-1486
Basically unification, and suffering through the Wars of the Roses.
Unification
The previous ruler (one Bocaj, a man who clearly hates England) had allowed 5 separate single-province kingdoms to arise in Ireland. Only one of these, Eire, was an English vassal and ally. England had no claim on any provinces other than the 10 main provinces of mainland England, and CB's only on Scotland and, mysteriously, on our vassal Eire. Unification would require the assimilation of 6 separate countries.
Celtic forces outnumbered England 3:1. Scotland was allied with mighty France. Each had military ability equal to, or greater than, England. Englands technological ability had not advanced at all, again mysteriously, in the years since 1419.
The question was whether to try to bring the Celts under our protection diplomatically, or risk the disapproval of world (well, AI ) opinion, and low stability within the realm, by conquest. We were sure that diplomatic attempts would be very expensive, and often fail, leaving a permanent and expensive thorn in the side of England. So it was to be unification by the sword.
I was not going to die with Calais engraved on my heart, so a deal with France allowed Calais to return to the burghers for a pittance, in return for unhampered conquest of the Celts.
We married a daughter to the Red Hand of Ulster, claimed the throne, and having reassured my own people that Ulster hated us (by insulting them many times) used this as a pretext to conquer them.
We hoped this would rouse the ire of the Scots, but they remained passive so, shunning weak-kneed diplomacy, the army was sent to claim all of Scotland other than its capital.
Our vassal ally Eire fortunately declared war on Leinster, so we were quickly able to take control of military operations with our superior leadership, and annex it.
The naive Scots had accepted a 5 year truce - 5 years and one day after that expired, the army marched into Edinburgh and soon after Scotland was ours. Possession and trafficking in haggis was immediately made a capital offence - let them eat proper English sausage.
Connacht and Munster foolishly allied with one another against the English threat. Another daughter was sent to sacrifice her maidenhood to an uncouth tribal princeling of Connacht, the throne was claimed, and after more insults were hurled at them, they too were annexed, leaving only our vassal Eire independent.
At this point stability in England was continuously low, and there was some risk of revolt as the English aristocracy were busy murdering one another to decide whether the Red Rose or White should rule the realm. And world disapproval of England had been rising continuously. So some fine calculations were required for the final decision about Eire. To wait for 17 more years, and attempt to diplomatically annex them, with all the risks of failure, or undertake one last conquest? Insults were sent, military access cancelled, they were thrown out of their alliance with England, and the troops marched one last time. Such high-handed treatment of a vassal caused consternation in the realm, but the few revolts were easily quelled. After annexation, world opinion was as close as possible to the maximum it would tolerate (BB 39.8/40).
But Britain and Ireland were unified.
The Wars of the Roses
These covered most of the period (1455-1485). A period of dreadful poverty. For almost all the period, annual military maintenance exceeded annual census taxes. But minting was kept to an absolute minimum, very few investments were made, and with the help of an exceptional year, inflation rose no higher than 3%.
In 1485 Henry VII rose to the throne and instituted a set of reforms. Together these acted to reduce (a little) the risk of revolt, radically improve domestic policy (23 DP clicks, in total) and improve tax income. In 1486 income was 66% higher than in 1484.
We now find ourselves economically under-developed and behind the world technologically, BUT WE ARE ONE NATION!
Basically unification, and suffering through the Wars of the Roses.
Unification
The previous ruler (one Bocaj, a man who clearly hates England) had allowed 5 separate single-province kingdoms to arise in Ireland. Only one of these, Eire, was an English vassal and ally. England had no claim on any provinces other than the 10 main provinces of mainland England, and CB's only on Scotland and, mysteriously, on our vassal Eire. Unification would require the assimilation of 6 separate countries.
Celtic forces outnumbered England 3:1. Scotland was allied with mighty France. Each had military ability equal to, or greater than, England. Englands technological ability had not advanced at all, again mysteriously, in the years since 1419.
The question was whether to try to bring the Celts under our protection diplomatically, or risk the disapproval of world (well, AI
) opinion, and low stability within the realm, by conquest. We were sure that diplomatic attempts would be very expensive, and often fail, leaving a permanent and expensive thorn in the side of England. So it was to be unification by the sword.I was not going to die with Calais engraved on my heart, so a deal with France allowed Calais to return to the burghers for a pittance, in return for unhampered conquest of the Celts.
We married a daughter to the Red Hand of Ulster, claimed the throne, and having reassured my own people that Ulster hated us (by insulting them many times) used this as a pretext to conquer them.
We hoped this would rouse the ire of the Scots, but they remained passive so, shunning weak-kneed diplomacy, the army was sent to claim all of Scotland other than its capital.
Our vassal ally Eire fortunately declared war on Leinster, so we were quickly able to take control of military operations with our superior leadership, and annex it.
The naive Scots had accepted a 5 year truce - 5 years and one day after that expired, the army marched into Edinburgh and soon after Scotland was ours. Possession and trafficking in haggis was immediately made a capital offence - let them eat proper English sausage.
Connacht and Munster foolishly allied with one another against the English threat. Another daughter was sent to sacrifice her maidenhood to an uncouth tribal princeling of Connacht, the throne was claimed, and after more insults were hurled at them, they too were annexed, leaving only our vassal Eire independent.
At this point stability in England was continuously low, and there was some risk of revolt as the English aristocracy were busy murdering one another to decide whether the Red Rose or White should rule the realm. And world disapproval of England had been rising continuously. So some fine calculations were required for the final decision about Eire. To wait for 17 more years, and attempt to diplomatically annex them, with all the risks of failure, or undertake one last conquest? Insults were sent, military access cancelled, they were thrown out of their alliance with England, and the troops marched one last time. Such high-handed treatment of a vassal caused consternation in the realm, but the few revolts were easily quelled. After annexation, world opinion was as close as possible to the maximum it would tolerate (BB 39.8/40).
But Britain and Ireland were unified.
The Wars of the Roses
These covered most of the period (1455-1485). A period of dreadful poverty. For almost all the period, annual military maintenance exceeded annual census taxes. But minting was kept to an absolute minimum, very few investments were made, and with the help of an exceptional year, inflation rose no higher than 3%.
In 1485 Henry VII rose to the throne and instituted a set of reforms. Together these acted to reduce (a little) the risk of revolt, radically improve domestic policy (23 DP clicks, in total) and improve tax income. In 1486 income was 66% higher than in 1484.
We now find ourselves economically under-developed and behind the world technologically, BUT WE ARE ONE NATION!
@GM: I ask here a contact on ICQ (a message at least)
about that act of yesterday in EU II room.
about that act of yesterday in EU II room.
What act Elio??? I cant remember, but send me a PM, plz.
Ok.
Sry BOB, but you must have to do this on your own.
ok
150d
My computer seems almost dead. BIOS related.... i'll try to fix it.
Next week, i won't be able to play anyway. I', going somewhere for the week-end. I,ll try to find a sub, but i don't know a lot of people. If you have someone to suggest, feel free to talk.
Next week, i won't be able to play anyway. I', going somewhere for the week-end. I,ll try to find a sub, but i don't know a lot of people. If you have someone to suggest, feel free to talk.
1468-1486: French Expansion
Important years were expected in Paris and arrived. This time has come to decide if France will be a major power in Europe or it will be just one more country without glory.
The first move was to offer vassalization to Bearn and for our happiness, it was accepted. Everything was fine until the moment when our ally the House of Burgundy started to declare war on almost every German prince. Hannover first, causing a diplomatic incident with our friend the electorate of Berlin, who is one of our closest friends, then Muster, Kleves, Koln, Baden and finally the Duchy of Helvetia.
France, respecting her sphere of influence and past deals with the Elector of Berlin and the Archduke of Austria tried to stay neutral and for two times avoid Burgundy to annex German States, offering peaces in the moment that the fort had fallen. But the leaders who invaded our country must be punished. This happen with Koln and Helvetia, Koln invaded Champagne and Helvetia Piemonte. The King decide to show them and the world that none invade France without penalties.
Soon Koln was vassalized, to avoid future problems with the Archduke. Helvetia had the same destiny.
In 1476, The Burgundian Duke died and the Archduke that is married with his daughter, annexed Burgundy, except for the French Cities that the Duchy owned. This meant that Franch-Comte, Bourgone, Artois and Savoie were now part of the Kingdom of France. Also, after the annexation, the Archduke honored previous agreements and immediately dropped his claims on Fladern and Brabant and gave them to The King.
But if that France wasn’t unified yet… If the Annexation of Burgundy, the count of Picardy became independent. Immediately he was put under diplomatically pressure to recognize that France has only one Leader and that one rules from Paris.
After few years Bearn voluntarily accepted join the Kingdom and Swiss joined too. And after some reluctance the Duke of Auvergne accepted to give his title to the King. France is now a very powerful country, but we couldn’t agree with those leaders who say that a crusade is a must in Europe against the peaceful France. France is one of the most respected countries in Europe, great reputation and recognized by the others countries as a peaceful, balanced and Christian Kingdom. But, unfortunelly, there are a lot of European Countries that doesn’t share the same feelings that France has, nations like Denmark and England that are completely out of prestige in Christ continent.
Our economy also expanded. Two manufactories were built, one Fine Arts Academy in Paris and a refinery in Marseille. Also a political reform happened and France is now a more centralized country and we are progressively changing our military doctrine from quantity to quality.
In diplomacy France approximated to Venice and now this Italian state is considered French best friend. Also friendship with Castile and Brandenburg were achieved. Also we hope that the same feeling maybe experiment in Turkey but we are some kind of disappointed because they refused to pay back the money that we gave them. The Sultan asked for 10 years and we accepted, but those 10 years passed away and the Sultan refused to pay. Can we trust in such man? I hope this incident maybe solved as soon as possible or the Sultan would be taking a drastic step. Also England and Denmark are incognitos for us… Finally we look with good eyes the Muscowy, Polish and Portuguese expansions and we desire to be their friend.
Peace be with you all and God and Joan be with us!
Important years were expected in Paris and arrived. This time has come to decide if France will be a major power in Europe or it will be just one more country without glory.
The first move was to offer vassalization to Bearn and for our happiness, it was accepted. Everything was fine until the moment when our ally the House of Burgundy started to declare war on almost every German prince. Hannover first, causing a diplomatic incident with our friend the electorate of Berlin, who is one of our closest friends, then Muster, Kleves, Koln, Baden and finally the Duchy of Helvetia.
France, respecting her sphere of influence and past deals with the Elector of Berlin and the Archduke of Austria tried to stay neutral and for two times avoid Burgundy to annex German States, offering peaces in the moment that the fort had fallen. But the leaders who invaded our country must be punished. This happen with Koln and Helvetia, Koln invaded Champagne and Helvetia Piemonte. The King decide to show them and the world that none invade France without penalties.
Soon Koln was vassalized, to avoid future problems with the Archduke. Helvetia had the same destiny.
In 1476, The Burgundian Duke died and the Archduke that is married with his daughter, annexed Burgundy, except for the French Cities that the Duchy owned. This meant that Franch-Comte, Bourgone, Artois and Savoie were now part of the Kingdom of France. Also, after the annexation, the Archduke honored previous agreements and immediately dropped his claims on Fladern and Brabant and gave them to The King.
But if that France wasn’t unified yet… If the Annexation of Burgundy, the count of Picardy became independent. Immediately he was put under diplomatically pressure to recognize that France has only one Leader and that one rules from Paris.
After few years Bearn voluntarily accepted join the Kingdom and Swiss joined too. And after some reluctance the Duke of Auvergne accepted to give his title to the King. France is now a very powerful country, but we couldn’t agree with those leaders who say that a crusade is a must in Europe against the peaceful France. France is one of the most respected countries in Europe, great reputation and recognized by the others countries as a peaceful, balanced and Christian Kingdom. But, unfortunelly, there are a lot of European Countries that doesn’t share the same feelings that France has, nations like Denmark and England that are completely out of prestige in Christ continent.
Our economy also expanded. Two manufactories were built, one Fine Arts Academy in Paris and a refinery in Marseille. Also a political reform happened and France is now a more centralized country and we are progressively changing our military doctrine from quantity to quality.
In diplomacy France approximated to Venice and now this Italian state is considered French best friend. Also friendship with Castile and Brandenburg were achieved. Also we hope that the same feeling maybe experiment in Turkey but we are some kind of disappointed because they refused to pay back the money that we gave them. The Sultan asked for 10 years and we accepted, but those 10 years passed away and the Sultan refused to pay. Can we trust in such man? I hope this incident maybe solved as soon as possible or the Sultan would be taking a drastic step. Also England and Denmark are incognitos for us… Finally we look with good eyes the Muscowy, Polish and Portuguese expansions and we desire to be their friend.
Peace be with you all and God and Joan be with us!
Nice AARs guys. Does this game encourage them by editing small bonusses to the players who contribute, as I've seen elsewhere?
Communique to the French Crown,
The French Diplomatic Core would do well to understand the etiquete and realities of foreign relations. The clarity of the said cirumstance was directly explained to the Crown and apologized for with the promise of reimbursal. If it is actually possible that French diplomates fail to see that public recriminations towards the Imperial Ottoman Crown minimize our mutual goodwill they would do well to attend to their schooling once again. We ask that France's servants please desist from such obtuse practices towards her close friends from now on.
Sovereign of the House of Osman, Sultan of Sultans, Khan of Khans, Commander of the Faithful and Successor of the Prophet of the Lord of the Universe
Bâyezîd II
The French Diplomatic Core would do well to understand the etiquete and realities of foreign relations. The clarity of the said cirumstance was directly explained to the Crown and apologized for with the promise of reimbursal. If it is actually possible that French diplomates fail to see that public recriminations towards the Imperial Ottoman Crown minimize our mutual goodwill they would do well to attend to their schooling once again. We ask that France's servants please desist from such obtuse practices towards her close friends from now on.
Sovereign of the House of Osman, Sultan of Sultans, Khan of Khans, Commander of the Faithful and Successor of the Prophet of the Lord of the Universe
Bâyezîd II
Tem_Probe said:
No not as yet, and despite my belief that this would undoubtedly encourage AARs i'd vote against it. Simple truth is that different individuals take varied experiences from EU2 and roleplaying/AAR writing isn't very important to some and as I dislike prejudices easily avoided I think it is unfair to advantage people who have the time and want to write AARs.
This is not to say I won't be writing any, I thoroughly enjoy constructing fantastical historic scenarios for all members interested when i'm free and in the mode.