Yep. but battleground Italy does not mean that we will not have diplomacy about italian lands, it means that we will have conflict on Italy. I agree that diplomacy is very fun and I'd prefer that Unleashed II will be a game with a lot of diplomacy.
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Yep. but battleground Italy does not mean that we will not have diplomacy about italian lands, it means that we will have conflict on Italy. I agree that diplomacy is very fun and I'd prefer that Unleashed II will be a game with a lot of diplomacy.
Hum.. who subbed France and made it fight alone against Sweden/Austria/Dutch? Only the warmongerbutconsistendfrenchking could do that 
But he is dead now
Hum... and the sub must have broke my treaty with the dutch, no?
Only way i can think of Slargos atacking France
But he is dead now
Hum... and the sub must have broke my treaty with the dutch, no?
Only way i can think of Slargos atacking France
Originally posted by Camisa 10
Hum.. who subbed France and made it fight alone against Sweden/Austria/Dutch? Only the warmongerbutconsistendfrenchking could do that
But he is dead now
Hum... and the sub must have broke my treaty with the dutch, no?
Only way i can think of Slargos atacking France
France broke the treaty during the Dutch-Venetian Trade War whereupon she intervened on the venetian side to protect africa.
Supposedly, one might add, since the french-british expeditionary force that ravaged the low-countries meant actual, down-to-earth business. It's up to observers to believe if they actually thought they'd arrived in the ivory coast when they burned Antwerpen.
Retribution comes now for France, whom foolishly refused dutch demands for reparations.
Meanwhile, France's allies ducked out of the fight (or should I say Duuked..
) so France stands alone, facing deluge..
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Hey, I tried to tell the French "player" that now was not a prime time to get us into a war. I all but told him I'd dishonor.
The Swedes are acting up and I really can't handle them at this point in the game. Had I started 150 years earlier as Russia... maybe. But now? No way.
Unfortunately the French player did a fine job of pissing off everyone in his alliance and not managing to skillfully get the Spanish into his alliance. Without Spain's support, it looks like Austria is going to be the hegemon in Europe. They are neatly allied with Sweden to keep Russia from doing anything (wise move, even if it is putting a crimp on my style ) and the Netherlands to keep the Colonial powers in line.
All in all, I think that the "Napoleonic Wars" really need to focus on _Austrian_ domination of the continent. If only someone could find a way to open a second front against Sweden, I'd be willing to join in this Coalition. But not if the war is only going to result in the destruction of Russia for no hope of gain.
The Swedes are acting up and I really can't handle them at this point in the game. Had I started 150 years earlier as Russia... maybe. But now? No way.
Unfortunately the French player did a fine job of pissing off everyone in his alliance and not managing to skillfully get the Spanish into his alliance. Without Spain's support, it looks like Austria is going to be the hegemon in Europe. They are neatly allied with Sweden to keep Russia from doing anything (wise move, even if it is putting a crimp on my style
) and the Netherlands to keep the Colonial powers in line.All in all, I think that the "Napoleonic Wars" really need to focus on _Austrian_ domination of the continent. If only someone could find a way to open a second front against Sweden, I'd be willing to join in this Coalition. But not if the war is only going to result in the destruction of Russia for no hope of gain.
Well, before the current wars -in that Austria has recovered- they lost several wars in a row against France and OE. They lost provinces (to Poland, OE, Venice) and they were unable to check French expansion to the Rhine. So it is not that Austria is unbeatable.
Oh no, they aren't unbeatable. They just are benefiting from the lack of cohesiveness among their enemies. Greco was a master with them.
I look forward to getting our normal group together to see how this pans out.
I look forward to getting our normal group together to see how this pans out.
Yeah, but what i intended to say was "better fewer good players than a lot with some bad players in the middle"
I really like the type of game we play in Europe Unleashed
... I like the diplomatic aspect of the game.
We could find a better name than Europe Unleashed II
or at least a subtitle
It´s another side to the story, as according to french registers and the diary of my very good regent Reed Phoenix, it was the dutch who attacked french forces first.
Hum... according to the memoirs of Louis XV, it was openned a line of negotiations to the dutch about the venetian war issue and the treaty was still accepted by the two sides after that... so by breaking it, the dutch shall understand they will bear full consequences of theirs acts for little possibility of gain...
They would be better as french friends than french enemies.
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Meanwhile, France's allies ducked out of the fight (or should I say Duuked..
So, its rainning now?
Hypocracy and Secret Agenda's
I'll help round out thus is issue to the French player (Camissa?) I replaced for a day. Once you hear the real story, your going to want justice for their esoteric, selfish action.
France, when I subbed for her was lacking mayors in almost every home province, and there was 2-3 that even needed baliffs.You had done a good job on inflation--approx 13-14 per cent. Since infra was around 8.....I said to myself, "SELF!" " We need some city managment improvements here". At this point I quietly began minting about half of France's monthly income, despite it's inflationary penalty for infrastructure improvement. No wars, no trade disputes, no province bickering=As the liars allege. France was cranking about 190 ducats/month, so I got it to 200/month by disbanding about 80k-90k (including a 110 cannon unit in Switzerland) on your Franco-Austrian frontier. So by reducing this border force I became the friendlier french sub. Buddy, France was doomed as soon as you decided to take the day off,despite my mind your own business action,and here's why.
My allies, ahem, they don't deserve that title were co - conspirators of the Dutch-Austrian invasion force that attacked you for no reason. There was no CoT spamming, no colonial infringements, no war mongering as they said. The Polish player told me that suddenly he had no troops on his border (they were coming west) and a good friend (to be unamed-if he want to speak he can) told me to prepare my self for a big backstab. This included your (ally)?? 1)Russia, who became a non player in terms of information and help, and assisted with information. 2) and England huffed "im in a long war with Gujarat, i want peace"......no kidding einstein, so do I.... thats why were allies remember? ...to DETER war when were not attacking others??.....so England pulled a huge Judas so you could get divided up. The attackers have a combined income of 600 + ducats/month , you had maybe 200.....France's manpower, so imperative in conflict would be flooded by cash. This tactic could be nullified by just one impossible miracle (sarcasm)... that would be if the allies of France honored the alliance (whoops did I say that out loud?). This did not happen so they was no time to organize a new alliance (more sarcasm) "Hey Italy, come and help the ..ahhhhh this is fixed.
Camisa says:
The problem is... one of the things i like the most in this game is diplomacy.
I dont want to see players who would screw that. So lets think a lot before adding someone to the game.
Your wish was a non factor bro....
Duuk:
Hey, I tried to tell the French "player" that now was not a prime time to get us into a war. I all but told him I'd dishonor.
LIAR conversation like this never happened.
More like, can you help? My spy tells me that a prime war is coming to France by powerful countries,Dutch and Austria and I will be needing HELPto keep EUROPE BALANCED. Not smashing them back, not taking their colonies, but the status quo.Both England and Russia were non-allies. Camisa you were isolated out and jammed before the game started, through no fault of mine. Not many years were playe, you deserve a re play.
As far as Slargos threatening with childish authority you can pump your biased steam elsewhere . Your profanities included constant repeats of MONKEYS having ANAL sex and surrendering.....whats up with that? You are ILL. I did swear after a player told me to go *uck myslef and I answered same back.....so don't pontify yourself by attempting to play Profanity Inquisitor when you and the person who started the line of carnal language are just as guilty as the standards you ?supposedly? set.
Ask Maestro and Hive what went down as well Camisa.....they can vouche for my skill and word.
If verbally the conspirators were taking aback, it looks good on them. They were pointed out and they got embarrassed by their own actions. They though France was going to just lay down and sleep.
Enjoy, here's your licence for hypocracy back Slargos, you can pay that ticket at any DishonorYour Ally Office, have a nice day sir,
(cruiser drives off showering dust and pebbles into the cracked windshield (alliance?-final sarcasm as he bursts with guilt) of England.
(that inside joke was for Maestro and Hive).
I'll help round out thus is issue to the French player (Camissa?) I replaced for a day. Once you hear the real story, your going to want justice for their esoteric, selfish action.
France, when I subbed for her was lacking mayors in almost every home province, and there was 2-3 that even needed baliffs.You had done a good job on inflation--approx 13-14 per cent. Since infra was around 8.....I said to myself, "SELF!" " We need some city managment improvements here". At this point I quietly began minting about half of France's monthly income, despite it's inflationary penalty for infrastructure improvement. No wars, no trade disputes, no province bickering=As the liars allege. France was cranking about 190 ducats/month, so I got it to 200/month by disbanding about 80k-90k (including a 110 cannon unit in Switzerland) on your Franco-Austrian frontier. So by reducing this border force I became the friendlier french sub. Buddy, France was doomed as soon as you decided to take the day off,despite my mind your own business action,and here's why.
My allies, ahem, they don't deserve that title were co - conspirators of the Dutch-Austrian invasion force that attacked you for no reason. There was no CoT spamming, no colonial infringements, no war mongering as they said. The Polish player told me that suddenly he had no troops on his border (they were coming west) and a good friend (to be unamed-if he want to speak he can) told me to prepare my self for a big backstab. This included your (ally)?? 1)Russia, who became a non player in terms of information and help, and assisted with information. 2) and England huffed "im in a long war with Gujarat, i want peace"......no kidding einstein, so do I.... thats why were allies remember? ...to DETER war when were not attacking others??.....so England pulled a huge Judas so you could get divided up. The attackers have a combined income of 600 + ducats/month , you had maybe 200.....France's manpower, so imperative in conflict would be flooded by cash. This tactic could be nullified by just one impossible miracle (sarcasm)... that would be if the allies of France honored the alliance (whoops did I say that out loud?). This did not happen so they was no time to organize a new alliance (more sarcasm) "Hey Italy, come and help the ..ahhhhh this is fixed.
Camisa says:
The problem is... one of the things i like the most in this game is diplomacy.
I dont want to see players who would screw that. So lets think a lot before adding someone to the game.
Your wish was a non factor bro....
Duuk:
Hey, I tried to tell the French "player" that now was not a prime time to get us into a war. I all but told him I'd dishonor.
LIAR conversation like this never happened.
More like, can you help? My spy tells me that a prime war is coming to France by powerful countries,Dutch and Austria and I will be needing HELPto keep EUROPE BALANCED. Not smashing them back, not taking their colonies, but the status quo.Both England and Russia were non-allies. Camisa you were isolated out and jammed before the game started, through no fault of mine. Not many years were playe, you deserve a re play.
As far as Slargos threatening with childish authority you can pump your biased steam elsewhere . Your profanities included constant repeats of MONKEYS having ANAL sex and surrendering.....whats up with that? You are ILL. I did swear after a player told me to go *uck myslef and I answered same back.....so don't pontify yourself by attempting to play Profanity Inquisitor when you and the person who started the line of carnal language are just as guilty as the standards you ?supposedly? set.
Ask Maestro and Hive what went down as well Camisa.....they can vouche for my skill and word.
If verbally the conspirators were taking aback, it looks good on them. They were pointed out and they got embarrassed by their own actions. They though France was going to just lay down and sleep.
Enjoy, here's your licence for hypocracy back Slargos, you can pay that ticket at any DishonorYour Ally Office, have a nice day sir,
(cruiser drives off showering dust and pebbles into the cracked windshield (alliance?-final sarcasm as he bursts with guilt) of England.
(that inside joke was for Maestro and Hive).
Crink:
You where not attacked because of anything you did, but because Camisa as France had been warmongering. That's why they attacked France, it has nothing to do with you. And you shouldn't take it so personally, this is jsut a game.
You where not attacked because of anything you did, but because Camisa as France had been warmongering. That's why they attacked France, it has nothing to do with you. And you shouldn't take it so personally, this is jsut a game.
didnt read?
that was a post for camisa....to explain what happened to his country. Personal? Did I have a vested interest in the game? Think about it. But being kicked for swearing is ridiculous when the kicker was all about that. you misread the whole point. old reliable hive
ps the syntax is like this just to annoy you
that was a post for camisa....to explain what happened to his country. Personal? Did I have a vested interest in the game? Think about it. But being kicked for swearing is ridiculous when the kicker was all about that. you misread the whole point. old reliable hive
ps the syntax is like this just to annoy you
Re: didnt read?
He wasnt quoting the whole post, just the part where you stated we attacked you because yopu were a sub....
Re: didnt read?
I was afk when there was the big argument. I returned, saw you say something (can't remember what) to Duuk, after which he left. Shortly after, Slargos banned you after having warned you.
I didn't see half of it, but from what I saw I conclude that both you and Duuk acted childish.
You for turning to name calling for reasons unknown to me, and Duuk for leaving without a word just because someone called him names.
I didn't undestand the point in Mulliman's anal monkey thing, and I also think Slargos overreacted by banning you. But they are Swedes, you can't expect them to act rational.
Now you say that you didn't start it, so I ask you who did? Who was it that started this stupid argument by calling you names?
EDIT: And why shouldn't I believe that you started calling them names, when you on icq call me a spineless fag?
I was afk when there was the big argument. I returned, saw you say something (can't remember what) to Duuk, after which he left. Shortly after, Slargos banned you after having warned you.
I didn't see half of it, but from what I saw I conclude that both you and Duuk acted childish.
You for turning to name calling for reasons unknown to me, and Duuk for leaving without a word just because someone called him names.
I didn't undestand the point in Mulliman's anal monkey thing, and I also think Slargos overreacted by banning you. But they are Swedes, you can't expect them to act rational.
Now you say that you didn't start it, so I ask you who did? Who was it that started this stupid argument by calling you names?
EDIT: And why shouldn't I believe that you started calling them names, when you on icq call me a spineless fag?
Originally posted by Hive
Crink:
You where not attacked because of anything you did, but because Camisa as France had been warmongering. That's why they attacked France, it has nothing to do with you. And you shouldn't take it so personally, this is jsut a game.
Lol!! Man! Half the wars of France were to save venetian asses
And, I was so or even less warmonger than Austria or Sweden, or even the dutch...
The problem is that France is allways considered the "warmonger country" and I kept kidding with this and my "warmongerking"
BTW, France is the only country that has released vassals were it had no claims to the lands conquered, and even last annex of Helvetia came after Dutch-austrian-sweden annexed all lands till the Rhin on theirs side of the border.
I am not very worried with the atack, its not the first.
It will be like the others... with austria and sweden sending all forces to north germany leaving his frontiers unguarded as allways.Sure, money is the problem, as they have a income more than 3 time mine...
Well, lets see what happens...
But sure, if my allies dont come to my help, they can be sure that the alliance will be ended, and then dutch can get the English next turn and Swedish can get Russia, while smaller France will be only watching with the 400k i can mantain.
So, that war will decide superiority in Europe... or does England and Russia think they wont be next after France is defeated? And do they really think France will help if its abbandoned now?
BTW, I when I made wars in interest of France (warmongerking and his Rhin Frontier) I never called allies.
So, now that France is attacked I do expect to receive help...
So, now that France is attacked I do expect to receive help...
Oh, now I remembered... its very probably I will be travelling this weekend to camping again.
In this case I will tell you till thursday, so you can get time to find a sub.
In this case I will tell you till thursday, so you can get time to find a sub.
Re: Re: didnt read?
(You must understand, i did not take any offense from Slargos name-calling, an example to Duuk and others).
Thats what all of that was about.
Oh, that was a DEEP misunderstanding. Due to the fact i was delayed at the restaurant, i arrived about half an hour late and was able to enjoy a very amusing verbal bashing from Slargos before i entered Vnet. Translated from Swedish, i was a "Fucking Anal-living Surrendermonkey", which is a very innovative way of smiting and i took the full pleasure of reciting it over and over again the whole evening, as it was quite amusing to meOriginally posted by Hive
I didn't undestand the point in Mulliman's anal monkey thing, and I also think Slargos overreacted by banning you. But they are Swedes, you can't expect them to act rational.
(You must understand, i did not take any offense from Slargos name-calling, an example to Duuk and others).Thats what all of that was about.
Ready my formers posts
It depends on you and england to make this true
Till now I allways conted with my allies and were allways ready to help them. And when I want to war in the interest of France alone, i never called allies.
But now, France has been atacked by Dutch, Austria and Sweden and I do expect my allies help.
The problem from the Tsarina's end is that Russia stands to take a beating from Sweden without hope of help from her allies.
Should we be able to increase the alliance by a member or three to help spread the burden, Russia will of course honor our committments.
Should we be able to increase the alliance by a member or three to help spread the burden, Russia will of course honor our committments.
Y'all forgot about Spain. With conscription centers in every continental province and a shitload of money I could easily turn the tide into any direction
Just felt like letting you know I'm still alive.
Just felt like letting you know I'm still alive.