Europe Unleashed (sat. night game)

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Lord Ganja
Well I believe someone should play the Ottos. If noone else feels like playing them I'd give it a go.

Damn it, the Ottos. How I could forgot about them In punishment for that, I will play Granada

 

[Hive]

I think your proposal is crap Arcorelli.

First of all, I am against letting Slargos have Netherlands again for 2 reasons:
1) He should play from the start
2) I don't think anyone should play the same nation twice in a row.
Besides, we can possibly find a Dutch player later.

Another thing I have been wondering is whether Sweden really is that important to have played? I know they are good due to the overpowernment, but with Russia and Brandenburg (which I definately want us to have) will they really be necessary?

As for the allocation of nations I don't think your reasoning is good Arco. I don't like that you will automatically give a player a certain nation just because they are the only one who has it as #1 choice - when 2-3 others may have it as second, while they are so unlucky that their #1 choice may be wanted by more than 1. I think giving all people their second choice is better than giving some their first choice and others their third.

Now the best thing IMO would be if we could discuss this all together in a irc channel, sorting things out. But alternatively, I suggest we simply appoint a gamemaster (not Slargos, for God's sake! ) who decides who will play what in a fair and orderly fashion.

 

[Slargos]

I am more than competent to select player nations.

Here is my suggestion:

Slargos: France.
Citizen X --> Navarra
Maestro --> Lorraine
Archduke --> Baden
Arcorelli --> Palatinate
Camisa --> Mysore
Ganja --> Geldre
Hive --> Helvetia
Duuk --> Savoy
Melchior --> Uzbek Khaganate

 

[Slargos]

Presumably, you'll want Slarhost to play from get-go.

 

[Citizen_X]

While i ve Spain, any repart is good for me in my opinion arcorelli's system is more just.

 

[Hive]

Although Slargos' suggestion is good, I think it needs to be slightly adjusted.

Here's my just and fair suggestion:
Hive - France (dammit, I was a minor in last game!)
Slargos - Spain
Arcorelli - Brandenburg
Camisa - OE
Maestro - Austria (again?)
Archduke - Portugal
Citizen_X - Venice
Ganja - England
Duuk - Muscowy/Russia

But unfortunately, some would get their third choice with this selection. I could also take either England or Brandenburg, but I would really prefer France. I was a minor in this game as well as in another game I currently play (as Denmark), so a nation with good leaders and monarchs would REALLY be prefered...

 

[Citizen_X]

I dont like this selection hive, i'm the only that select spain as the first option, and i ve venice, my third selection, and you put to slargos his second selection (Spain) and Archiduke his third selection that is for me my second (Portugal) Is injust wich me

 

[Hive]

Sorry Cit, I didn't mean to be injust to you. It's just very hard to make such a lineup when some nations are wanted by many, and other nations by none. I gave you Venice because you where the only one who had them on a list at all.

Any suggestions for a better way to do this?

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Hive
I think your proposal is crap Arcorelli.

First of all, I am against letting Slargos have Netherlands again for 2 reasons:
1) He should play from the start
2) I don't think anyone should play the same nation twice in a row.
Besides, we can possibly find a Dutch player later.

That is why I got 2 proposals, not one

Another thing I have been wondering is whether Sweden really is that important to have played? I know they are good due to the overpowernment, but with Russia and Brandenburg (which I definately want us to have) will they really be necessary?

I am not sure if Sweden is that important, but it is first choice for two players, so I think they should be played.

As for the allocation of nations I don't think your reasoning is good Arco. I don't like that you will automatically give a player a certain nation just because they are the only one who has it as #1 choice - when 2-3 others may have it as second, while they are so unlucky that their #1 choice may be wanted by more than 1. I think giving all people their second choice is better than giving some their first choice and others their third.

Well in fact the idea was using less competed countries first. But I thino our chief problem is, simply, we have lists that are too similar.

BTW, your proposal have an important problem. There is no Melchior

 

[Slargos]

It is undoubtedly a plot to get rid of that crashing modemplayer.

 

[Hive]

Originally posted by arcorelli
BTW, your proposal have an important problem. There is no Melchior

lol, I knew I forgot something...

You see Cit, I'm not injust to you - at least you get to play a nation...

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Hive
Sorry Cit, I didn't mean to be injust to you. It's just very hard to make such a lineup when some nations are wanted by many, and other nations by none. I gave you Venice because you where the only one who had them on a list at all.

Any suggestions for a better way to do this?

I think that if we use less claimed first we arrive at a list like yours Hive, at least I did with minor variants

I only will say that Melchior should be Sweden.

 

[Citizen_X]

I'm studing a lot the list, and if i ve spain, is umposible solve the problem wich the preferences of Slargos and Hive, and if i ve Portugal, i'm sure that ordening wich preferences, is umposible that camisa ve any country of his list (Sweden to Melchior, OE and England to Arco and Ganja respectively and spain to Slargos).

For the moment, i rectify, the list of hive is now the most just fo all, because all people can ve countries of his list, maybe for see if we can do more conbinations, duuk should put more countries in his list

 

[Lord Ganja]

guys, I really don't care too much bout the nation I play. My list wasnt meant as 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices but equal choices but I will as well be happy about playing Brandenburg, Sweden. Portugal or whatever.... Though, England does indeed sound nice.

 

[Mem de Sá]

Hey, camon Hive!

I want to play Sweden. Thats my first option and they are important to the game balance.

Only if i lose them to another player, i will want to get my others option, aka the Ottoman Empire.

I really prefer to play Sweden this time. So, dont say its a minor country. Its, at least, as important as Brandenburg will be later.

And Sweden, Brandenburg, Russia and Polonia in the North will be funny (I would say, lets add Denmark also

Specially with Austria, France and Netherlands arriving at the german area later.

 

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Originally posted by Slargos
It is undoubtedly a plot to get rid of that crashing modemplayer.

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as duuk´s only selection was russia, i am kind of bumped out there i guess and have a lesson learned again.
actually i do not care much which nation as long it is not some khanate ) i was just skipping through, wtf uszbek khanate?).
i´d play an italian minor like venice or papacy or denmark or even timurids/mughals as well.

 

[belis]

hello, can you ve room for me in your next game? i'd like playing some european northern or central country, maybe Poland can be funny

 

[arcorelli]

So, I think that the following 'revised' proposal can be fair (since everyone got a country they selected).
Hive - France
Slargos - Spain
Arcorelli - Brandenburg
Camisa - OE
Maestro - Austria
Archduke - Portugal
Citizen_X - Venice
Ganja - England
Duuk - Muscowy/Russia
Melchior - Sweden.

If anyone wants further swaps, for instance, Camisa really wants to play Sweden then should send a new complete proposal (since usually changing one spot implies changes in several others).

Anyway, we still have several weeks to decide or change opinion

 

[Lord Ganja]

from now on I demand to be called "Queen Ganja"

Thank you.

 

[Mem de Sá]

Duuk should put at least a second and third option.

Later I will see if I have other proposal that allows me to get Sweden