Europe Unleashed (sat. night game)

[Mem de Sá]

About Netherlands

I fully suport the edit giving them as Melchior said:

400 ducats
20 warships, 10 transports
20k infantry (if they currently don't have a standing army)
4 merchants, 2 colonists, 1 diplomat


No need for explorer and conquistator.

I talk that after been playing Netherlands in Cross, Quill and Sword game with no money, no navie and a 6k armie... very hard start...In real life the Dutch were rich and had a very good navy.

I thought I wouldnt make it, but putting efforts in diplomacy, developing trade and putting merchants in far away COTs really pay off.
I must say that Netherlands is a very interesting nation to play!

Explores will come in grand numbers, so no need of them.
As Hive said he can negociate Military Acess. And a conquistator will arrive also.

 

[Hive]

First of all: Camisa, you should really pay more attention to who said what!
I was the one (not Melchior) who suggested the Netherland setup you have quoted, but I was not the one who spoke of military access....

Secondly: Melchior, it is actually not allowed to post something just to raise your post count! I don't think they'll get mad at just this one case, but don't do it frequently. You can delete your own posts by editing them, and then mark the 'delete' box.

Thirdly, and last: Let's just play this saturday - as agreed earlier - and hold this discussion until after this session, after we have seen how it goes with stability and such. Was it 16.00 GMT or 18.00 GMT saturday we agreed?

EDIT: I will try to find a player for the Netherlands.

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Hive

Thirdly, and last: Let's just play this saturday - as agreed earlier - and hold this discussion until after this session, after we have seen how it goes with stability and such. Was it 16.00 GMT or 18.00 GMT saturday we agreed?

16.00 GMT I think.

 

[TheArchduke]

I would love to take over the Netherlands but gonna be out this weekend.

 

[Hive]

Originally posted by TheArchduke
I would love to take over the Netherlands but gonna be out this weekend.

We could just find a sub for this session then, and let you take over from next session instead - if that's cool with ya?

 

[TheArchduke]

Originally posted by Hive
We could just find a sub for this session then, and let you take over from next session instead - if that's cool with ya?

Depends on who is subbing.

Ehrm.... Hmm maybe my internet con works on the countryside and maybe my friends won´t get mad at me when I am playing Cpu than going swimming.

 

[unmerged(11075)]

Originally posted by Hive

Secondly: Melchior, it is actually not allowed to post something just to raise your post count!

well, then i guess I´ll have to quote myself again:

seriously i clicked the wrong button. is there a way to kick this out ?



But thanks anyway, I´ll kick this out. 16:00 GMT is fine. Can anybody reach Maestro and El Greco?

 

[unmerged(16217)]

Unfortunatly I cant make it this saturday due to partys and stuff like most of my saturdays btw. Sundays and fridays are about the only days that i'm available. I will try to find a sub.

If I'm not able to find a sub or whatever I dont mind AI subbing for me, after last session I somehow started caring a whole lot less.

 

[Hive]

Originally posted by Maestro (r)
...after last session I somehow started caring a whole lot less.

Do I smell a quitter?

I think the main reason for our problems - both with stability and the time schedule - is the fact that we are from both sides of the Atlantic. But let's play tomorrow and see how it goes.

So we need subs for Spain and Sweden?

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Hive
Do I smell a quitter?

I think the main reason for our problems - both with stability and the time schedule - is the fact that we are from both sides of the Atlantic. But let's play tomorrow and see how it goes.

So we need subs for Spain and Sweden?

As far as I understand (although El Greco only can confirm saturday).

 

[Hive]

Excellent session, great fun!

Especially due to Red's smooth hosting and our new rule, which I will sum up so that Ganja and Maestro can say what they think of it:
Instead of constant rehosting due to crashes, we have decided to wait 1-2 years before we pick the crashed player up - unless he is at war of something else that requires his emidiate attention. Then we'll pick him up right away. During the 1-2 in which the player is not there, the other players are oblieged to watch out for the country so that it doesn't fall apart...

All except Citizen_X thought that this was a very good idea, and it has certainly already proved to do good to the fluency of the game.

I think we should continue to play on sundays, as originally agreed. I don't think the day has anything to do with stability, but maybe we should try letting new people host - maybe El Greco?

 

[arcorelli]

Yep, I think that we should get back to Sundays (in order that Maestro and Ganja can play).

And a really fun session (although I think that Ganja will not like the war that involves Spain)

 

[Mem de Sá]

As one of the players that crashed and had the country played by the smart AI I have to say that I fully support this new rule.

I think of this time as a event like a real "temporary insanity of monarch" or better yet: something like "the monarch is ill and the country is being ruled by the fractious and corrupts ministres" in the name of a good game.

So when we are back its time to rebuild the country and punish the ministers who did all wrong

And if there´s a war or anything of imediatte importance for the country (many revolts, etc) the rehost is immediatty.

And if all want, we can play at sundays with this new rule.

 

[Hive]

Originally posted by Camisa 10
As one of the players that crashed and had the country played by the smart AI I have to say that I fully support this new rule.

Actually, when a player crash the AI DOES NOT take over! Which means, that the nation is virtually in coma until we rehost. But I don't really see that as a problem, as it hinders the AI from causing trouble - by wasting money, going to war or something like that.

 

[Mem de Sá]

Thats explains why i had so many money at the 1578 start - as you can see in the screenshot of the AAR.

I was printing money to rearmy myself

So it was almost the only thing France made for 1.5 years, hehehe.

Well this is better than the AI taking over the realm

So its like "King is sick and ministers dont know what to do"

Good!

 

[unmerged(11075)]

would be interesting to know if tech advances though.
The other thing is for trade oriented nations like portugal and ääh, portugal it will be bad to be out for two years for no merchants will be send then I guess.
Camissa can you compare your tech stats and tell us wether they kept advancing ?
If you loose two years of tech investment, don´t know if I find this too good.
Probably smoth playing is more important though....

 

[Mem de Sá]

I think techs advance. The big reason I had so much money in 1581 was that I was saving money for rebuild my army since 1575, as at that point I had only 15k in France.

So when I ctd in 1576 my income was going to land, trade and money (some 7 ir 8 ducats at month, by the 1578 file).

And a little later after the rehost I advanced in land. So the income put on land worked during the time of no monarch And I think the one in trade also, by what I remember.

And anyway, it is better this way so we can play a smoth game instead of not playing at all.

 

[arcorelli]

I understand that we will play sunday 22? If it is possible to play again at 1600 GMT? (I would prefer that time). Or we play at our usual 1800 GMT?

 

[unmerged(11075)]

on monday i write final exam. so i would really appreciate starting time 16:00 gmt. so maybe i am not too sleepy then.

 

[Mem de Sá]

Sunday 16:00 GMT is fine. I can even start early this day: do you want to start 12:00 GMT or even earlier?