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A CC in Veneto? A refinery in Crete?

Ah well..
 

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I thought the entire point of combining Poland and Lithuania was to avoid an instant partition by their neighbors. Is Austria really in that much weaker of a position that P-L needs to be split up on the Habsburgs' account? The state of the Commonwealth can be simulated by making it extremely decentralized and aristocratic rather than making two separate countries.

I think Denmark needs to be somewhat wealthier as well as have more ships and manpower.

Venice doesn't need a CC on Veneto, it shouldn't have that much manpower at all. We don't want massive gangbangs of Austria. Of course, that refinery will make the Ottomans war Venice even more, so I say hurrah. =)

The Netherlands needs some serious initial power-ups too, unless they are supposed to start with 5 warships, 1,000 men and a 10 ducat monthly income :p
 
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TheLotus said:
The Netherlands needs some serious initial power-ups too, unless they are supposed to start with 5 warships, 1,000 men and a 10 ducat monthly income :p

giving the bailiffs and counsels in every province, maybe a little fleet should be enough imo. they get some nice events, manufactories to be precise anyways.
 

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Damocles said:
Does my Brandenburg get anything shiny?

Regarding Austria and Poland...Before Robertus made the mistake of attacking me, Austria had twice the income, twice the manpower and twice the leadership. There really is no disparity there from Poland's end..

Well. To be truthful, we've already filled the roster before you decided wether you wanted to play or not. :)

I'm not sure where to put you now. I have a policy in this game of not giving the really experienced players big countries, and this means we're full given that the only player I could conceivably bump due to his newbieness would be velo, and he's in Poland. We all know what kind of Poland you would create.. ;)
 

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TheLotus said:
The Netherlands needs some serious initial power-ups too, unless they are supposed to start with 5 warships, 1,000 men and a 10 ducat monthly income :p

If we're talking 10 warhips, 1000 ducats and 20k men, I'm with you.

Much more than that wouldn't be very appropriate. You have 10 years to beg money from benefactors.
 

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Slargos said:
Edits for Venice:

- more galleys
- more trade
- a refinery on Crete
- a CC in Veneto

Edits for Denmark:

- Shipyard in Copenhagen.
- Slightly increased manpower in copenhagen.
- A couple of galleys. Say 20?
- A naval manufactory in copenhagen.

Other edits:

- Portugal should be weakened by having some of their iberian colonies changed to "native" population/religion
- Portugal shouldn't have a core on Al Kharam, that's plain silly
- England should start with a slightly smaller navy

Changes that WONT happen (or someone needs to argue better for them):

- Spain should be less uber from the start
- Bourbonnais should still be independent, for historical accuracy. Not a major point though.


Why is it any nation I play in your games gets negative edits against them? I'm not sure I want to be Portugal in this case.
 

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Elijah said:
Why is it any nation I play in your games gets negative edits against them? I'm not sure I want to be Portugal in this case.

Did Austria get negative edits?

It's not you, it's me. :D

Nah. It was decided by consensus that Portugal is far too powerful as is. If you want to switch to Venice, go ahead. I don't mind playing Portugal.

In both TNH and Machiavelli 2, Portugal became the richest nation pretty routinely with a massive navy and locking the pacific from colonization from anyone else...
 

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Slargos said:
Did Austria get negative edits?

It's not you, it's me. :D

Nah. It was decided by consensus that Portugal is far too powerful as is. If you want to switch to Venice, go ahead. I don't mind playing Portugal.

In both TNH and Machiavelli 2, Portugal became the richest nation pretty routinely with a massive navy and locking the pacific from colonization from anyone else...

OE got edited to 5 cultures, which made things much more difficult for me. I have no desire to play Venice.
 

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TheLotus said:
I think Denmark needs to be somewhat wealthier as well as have more ships and manpower.

Perhaps more initial trade and a trade manu in Jylland?

I was gonna suggest giving them more ships, but then I realised that they start with 30 warships... no need exaggerate. ;)
 

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Slargos said:
If we're talking 10 warhips, 1000 ducats and 20k men, I'm with you.

Much more than that wouldn't be very appropriate. You have 10 years to beg money from benefactors.

I agree with this. Besides, if people think a bit ahead there should be no problems for Netherlands to gather support.
 

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He can have England, then I'll take BB...

England wouldnt be too fair. Im just griping a bit. Editing for overall balance realism is fine with me, but editing the setup to account for differences in player skill is lame. Not sure what it is in this case, but since all of a sudden theres a big push to make OE less dominant early (completely unrealistic) whereas in last game they were edited to be MORE dominant makes me a bit uneasy.
 

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Elijah said:
England wouldnt be too fair. Im just griping a bit. Editing for overall balance realism is fine with me, but editing the setup to account for differences in player skill is lame. Not sure what it is in this case, but since all of a sudden theres a big push to make OE less dominant early (completely unrealistic) whereas in last game they were edited to be MORE dominant makes me a bit uneasy.

Oe is not edited to be less dominant. Austria gets slavonic culture to create more of a hotspot in the balkans.

No one knew you would be portugal when the decision to edit it was made.

This paranoia is quite cute, Elijah... ;)

Edit: Could you clarify wether this is a gamestopper for you or not (or what country you DO want to play)? While we do have 3-4 weeks before the game starts, I'd like to get the playerlist pegged soon...
 

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Slargos said:
Oe is not edited to be less dominant. Austria gets slavonic culture to create more of a hotspot in the balkans.

No one knew you would be portugal when the decision to edit it was made.

This paranoia is quite cute, Elijah... ;)

Edit: Could you clarify wether this is a gamestopper for you or not (or what country you DO want to play)? While we do have 3-4 weeks before the game starts, I'd like to get the playerlist pegged soon...

Well you guys wanted to give Bohemia to Austria from the start... but I vet o it, dammit! :D

Elijah, noone is editing to make up for player skills (or the lack of it rather) - but Slargos is trying to place people with consideration to skills.

The reason for my editing suggestions is merely a result of my experience in TNH and other games.