Europe Unleashed: Reloaded

[Damocles]

Right. In other words, Persia lags even further behind in economic techs, probably has substantially higher inflation for no gain (unless it got lucky with random events), probably lost its few good leaders to wars that gained Persia absolutely nothing, wasted incalculable sums on armies (much more than you wasted on beating them back, I am sure) - and topped it off by diploannexing Oman.

I feel so sorry for you being interrupted by a Persia that wastes all its money on military spending, rather than attempting to catch up economically, I really, truly, do. (Yes, I am sure it was very annoying for you, but I am equally sure that the net outcome is an OE that is even stronger relative to Persia than before the beginning of last session)

Just how many years did you play?

On the positive side, I notice that Persia's AI has been driving you to nuts, so, on balance, I think we can say "mission accomplished".


EDIT: Anybody care to host the save file?

Flawless logic, as usual, Peter. Though, if Persia had been subbed instead of AI run, it would have not dared to sneeze in my general direction. (I had to keep over 150k troops on the Persian border 24/7).

Also,

I seem to recall the Persian inflation being surprisingly low, and that there are quite a few rich provinces, spice, ivory and that green bush thing, that Oman owned.

 

[Damocles]

by the way...

There are now more Turks living in West Africa down to Turkish Congo, then there are in Turkey! I get more manpower from Benin and Congo then all the balkans.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Flawless logic, as usual, Peter. Though, if Persia had been subbed instead of AI run, it would have not dared to sneeze in my general direction. (I had to keep over 150k troops on the Persian border 24/7).

In which case it could have invested in trade and infrastructure instead. It is probably at trade3/infra 3 vs your 5/6, now, and 20% of your income, 30% your manpower [Just guessing at numbers since I don't have the save]

I seem to recall the Persian inflation being surprisingly low, and that there are quite a few rich provinces, spice, ivory and that green bush thing, that Oman owned.

Oh, Oman would be a good target for diploannexation later on, when trade and infrastructure percentages would be higher. It is just that as of the end of last session, what Oman had was six low-taxvalue low-population low-manpower provinces, of which half was sheep.

 

[Damocles]

Hehe. Actually, Ottoman tech sucks monstrously.

I am at max decentralization and max narrowminded purely through events. And it isn't worth raising them since they will be lowered -6 at least through the bey events.

Annexing a bunch of states like Nubia, Crimea, etc, dosen't help either.

So Ottoman tech is actually 3/6 and income around 190. Last I checked, Persian income was about 90ish.

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Add to that, I had about a hundred terrible events screwing my stab every which way and I couldn't afford to invest in it while I was still orthodox.

I think Austria can rivalry with you on that aspect.

I had a corruption, a plague, nobles allying with a foreign power, three events which caused me to choose between -1 CEN or -3 STAB, a political crisis and countless insults.

The only positive event I had was a +1 fortress one and one +1 stab event somewhere.

Besides that, Austria did not receive an excellent year since 1520 and just one gift to the state ;(

 

[unmerged(18425)]

by the way...

There are now more Turks living in West Africa down to Turkish Congo, then there are in Turkey! I get more manpower from Benin and Congo then all the balkans.

Hmm, so you don't need the balkans that badly?

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Did I say that slargos? no I said I did it and offered to be punish to play end of session then quit/be kicked. Though you ignored my ICQ messages and told the others I had quit, good job... So please spare me from your lectures. I have no intension of comming back, i know it was wrong, but learn to fucking relax, christ you are going to get a heart attack.

You are acting like a child, that isn't getting what it wants. I certainly have no intension of continuing this discussion calm down, relax it is just a game.

IIRC you said ingame that you would quit?

Anyway, when cheating twice in a game, quitting is the only viable option left.
Though you did the best thing you could do afterwarts: apologize and admit that you were wrong.

The problem is that after the dild event and now this, your trustworthiness seem to have sunk drastically. It will take quite a time before it's up par again

 

[devil]

IIRC you said ingame that you would quit?

Anyway, when cheating twice in a game, quitting is the only viable option left.
Though you did the best thing you could do afterwarts: apologize and admit that you were wrong.

The problem is that after the dild event and now this, your trustworthiness seem to have sunk drastically. It will take quite a time before it's up par again

correct, I offered to quit since there is no excuse, that just the way it is

 

[Damocles]

Hmm, so you don't need the balkans that badly?

Some parts of the Ottoman realm provide more manpower then others. That is all.

 

[Slargos]

Did I say that slargos? no I said I did it and offered to be punish to play end of session then quit/be kicked. Though you ignored my ICQ messages and told the others I had quit, good job... So please spare me from your lectures. I have no intension of comming back, i know it was wrong, but learn to fucking relax, christ you are going to get a heart attack.

You are acting like a child, that isn't getting what it wants. I certainly have no intension of continuing this discussion calm down, relax it is just a game.

:rofl:

You only "admitted" after being found out.

And that's all I'm going to comment on this.

 

[Slargos]

Besides that, why did wyvern not show up for subbing?

I think I told you earlier. He couldn't due to personal reasons. Enough about that.

And besides that, I'll never understand why a Sweden was needed and a Persia not.
Hell, the GM inclined to give favour to a human Sweden above a human Spain

Yes. The GM is evil. The GM is out to get you.

 

[Slargos]

Now, if HG continues as Sweden, we will still need a danish player, although perhaps we could just drop Denmark from the lineup.

Re: Russia/Sweden situation.

Sweden will get its inflation edited out. If the pre-game inflation was 8, I think it's fair to cut it to 10.

Russia will also get a bit of inflationcut to begin with. Unless we find a player for Denmark, no provinces will switch hands.

 

[devil]

:rofl:

You only "admitted" after being found out.

And that's all I'm going to comment on this.

And that is correct

 

[Mem de Sá]

Some parts of the Ottoman realm provide more manpower then others. That is all.

Ottoman MP must be absurd!

 

[Slargos]

Ottoman MP must be absurd!

It is, and he's going quality. Shiver, ladies, shiver, cause he's gonna set your world on fire. :rofl:

 

[Rezag]

Shortly what happened in Russia.

In septemper one month after ultimatum Russia attack Sweden war goes slowly for Russia until after 10 years of war and three times of sackking and sieging swedish capital finally provinces in Norway and Sweden itself start falling to Russia Swedens vasallization starts to be close but then Poland intervenes and breaks NAP some 3-5 more years of fighting Russia loses many provinces including Moscow to Poland and Sweden regains most of its land. Both Russia and Sweden suffer from huge WE and repels finaly over all WP between Russia, Denmark, Sweden and Poland is signed to end the great northern war. Summary of war Swedens inflation go sky high humongous money, army and time losses to both sides for basicly nothing.

After war healing Russia and colonizing siperia luckily for Russia it was mainly able to fight war with only its yearly income and was able to imporve land 14-16, trade 3-4 and infra 3-4.

One thing that annoyed hell out of Russian high command was that allways Sweden leaders avoided death even when their armies redused from 25k to 3k. And having 0 leaders for Russia most of this time didnt make it easier .

 

[Rezag]

All,

Apologies. Girlfriend all day, unavoidably.

On Sweden, dunno, but I certainly did not have a bankruptcy, nor did I come close to triggering one (if I had any loans at all, they were auto- and not nearly enough to lead to a catastrophe).

hmm wouldnt say it was not even close 4 loans 0 treasury and fact that if army maintanance+monthly loan cost during war is higher than total income when at 0 treasury it gives automatic loan combined with war against Denmark and Russian invasion that was clearly to last long one might say bankrupt was basicly invited to come .

But nice to have you back I too thought you allready quited .

 

[arcorelli]

hmm wouldnt say it was not even close 4 loans 0 treasury and fact that if army maintanance+monthly loan cost during war is higher than total income when at 0 treasury it gives automatic loan

AFAIK, that was not the situation of Sweden at the start of past session. Army maintenance+monthly coast was a high part of swedish income but lower nonetheless.

 

[Rezag]

AFAIK, that was not the situation of Sweden at the start of past session. Army maintenance+monthly coast was a high part of swedish income but lower nonetheless.

Yes but did you think war with Russia would affected Swedens income in positive way .

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Okay, I am getting confused here.

1. Somebody said that Sweden destroyed Denmark
2. Somebody said that Denmark should be dropped as a player nation
3. Somebody said that Sweden suffered (at least) one bankruptcy, leading to high inflation (I presume VERY high, though no actual numbers are mentioned)
4. Somebody said that Sweden fought Russia for years on end (10 years even being mentioned) rather than cutting its losses by making peace earlier
5. Somebody said that Sweden should lose some of its inflation to make it playable

IF, and I qualify it with a big IF, since I was not present in yesterday's session, 1) and 3) are correct, then 2) sounds like a natural consequence of the Swedish policy, which means that 4) would be a worse solution than letting Sweden live with the consequences of its actions, and that, if any nation were to be dropped, Sweden rather than Denmark should get the axe.

Basically, if people continue fighting on to their economic ruin rather than concede defeat they should not be saved by an act of god from the unpleasant economic consequences.

But then again, I was not present in yesterday's session, and it is possible D), that some of the reports have been slightly exaggerated by use of extravagant superlatives, and that neither 1), 2) nor 3) really apply.