Rezag said:
...So... military help WILL come to the Ottoman Empire?
Watch yo' double negatives, Tsar.
*In other news, the Ottoman sultan moved a few hundered thousand troops into the areas surrounding the Sea of Azov.... for safe keeping.*
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...So... military help WILL come to the Ottoman Empire?
Watch yo' double negatives, Tsar.
*In other news, the Ottoman sultan moved a few hundered thousand troops into the areas surrounding the Sea of Azov.... for safe keeping.*
By the way, thanks for being a good sport when put in a tight position, JTU - and welcome to the MP scene. 
I would advise you to talk more with potential allies in-game; it is a common failure for new players to MP to concentrate too much on the mechanics of what is going on (because a lot is always going on somewhere) and not on the diplomacy necessary to stay alive.
Especially (and this is easy for me to say AFTER the war), if both your nation and another nation are fighting the same enemy, consider not making peace until you have communicated with the other assailant - it can make victories more permanent or defeats less hurtful. I doubt it would have made any difference to the outcome of our war, but I am sure that Russia, which only attacked Persia to try to aid the Ottoman Empire, would have appreciated being taken into your confidence with regards to making peace with Persia. (E.g. then you could have demanded that a WP with Russia was part of a tri-nation peace deal)
I would advise you to talk more with potential allies in-game; it is a common failure for new players to MP to concentrate too much on the mechanics of what is going on (because a lot is always going on somewhere) and not on the diplomacy necessary to stay alive.
Especially (and this is easy for me to say AFTER the war
), if both your nation and another nation are fighting the same enemy, consider not making peace until you have communicated with the other assailant - it can make victories more permanent or defeats less hurtful. I doubt it would have made any difference to the outcome of our war, but I am sure that Russia, which only attacked Persia to try to aid the Ottoman Empire, would have appreciated being taken into your confidence with regards to making peace with Persia. (E.g. then you could have demanded that a WP with Russia was part of a tri-nation peace deal)I'll work on it next time.
Hopefully by then I'll have figured out a way to deal with The Africa Problem, as I couldn't possibly win a war against Persia with you going deeper and deeper into Africa snapping up provinces.
Hopefully by then I'll have figured out a way to deal with The Africa Problem, as I couldn't possibly win a war against Persia with you going deeper and deeper into Africa snapping up provinces.
You need to be able to reinforce Africa, and that means dealing with the Persian Mediterranean Fleet. Either by avoiding it and landing forces in the hinterlands, then marching troops to the scene of battle, or by defeating it.Just Too Uber said:
The Persian Mediterranean Fleet, while numerically stronger than the Ottoman, is techlevel 12 crap. With the right investment, you could build a fleet capable of beating it. A few hundred galleys can likely do it, for instance, and even if they cannot but can only inflict a few casualties, it takes a long, long, time to build new hulls for the PMF. My one mediterranean shipyard and one port have a grand total capacity of... four ships (yes, four!) at a time. The Ottoman Empire can recover from naval losses on the mediterranean much, much, faster than Persia.
The thing to remember is that you need enough troops to stop attacks of 120K-150K cold in their tracks, with the option of stopping (or at least delaying) attacks of twice that magnitude in both Anatolia and Africa at the same time so long as you are on the defensive. This is based on the Persian habit of raising about 140K/month in the Tabriz/Tabaristan/Isfahan CCs and sending them off bundled towards whatever front seems lacking during the first few months of a war, and then as necessary.
Be exceedingly careful when crossing from Ottoman Anatolia to the Persian middle east. It is a crossing that inflicts heavy attrition, and Persia usually has a 50/80/0 army located in Syria in wartime ready to pounce.
And never, ever try to march south past the Persian Mountains of Doom without some 300K-400K soldiers unless you are sure Persia is already defeated.
You will know that you have turned the tide if my manpower runs out, and that you may be winning the war if I begin talking about using some of my eastern forces. I typically have 250K-300K tied down in Afghanistan and India at all times to discourage predatory thinking in colonial nations and to fight the occasional rebellion.
Basically, to win, you will need to bleed the Persian forces. You have an ally here - me
I like throwing armies around and don't mind casualties too much so long as they seem to further my overall aim; I have been known to sacrifice my armies for both fun and profit - and sometimes, my gambles don't pay off. Present me with a nice target during a war, and I am more than likely to go after it even when I am nearly certain that it must be a trap, believing that I can beat the trap anyhow or that the prize justifies the risk. A character flaw, and one that I am aware of, yet one that can be used against me nonetheless - and has been in the past.Peter Ebbesen said:You need to be able to reinforce Africa, and that means dealing with the Persian Mediterranean Fleet. Either by avoiding it and landing forces in the hinterlands, then marching troops to the scene of battle, or by defeating it.
The Persian Mediterranean Fleet, while numerically stronger than the Ottoman, is techlevel 12 crap. With the right investment, you could build a fleet capable of beating it. A few hundred galleys can likely do it, for instance, and even if they cannot but can only inflict a few casualties, it takes a long, long, time to build new hulls for the PMF. My one mediterranean shipyard and one port have a grand total capacity of... four ships (yes, four!) at a time. The Ottoman Empire can recover from naval losses on the mediterranean much, much, faster than Persia.
The thing to remember is that you need enough troops to stop attacks of 120K-150K cold in their tracks, with the option of stopping (or at least delaying) attacks of twice that magnitude in both Anatolia and Africa at the same time so long as you are on the defensive. This is based on the Persian habit of raising about 140K/month in the Tabriz/Tabaristan/Isfahan CCs and sending them off bundled towards whatever front seems lacking during the first few months of a war, and then as necessary.
Be exceedingly careful when crossing from Ottoman Anatolia to the Persian middle east. It is a crossing that inflicts heavy attrition, and Persia usually has a 50/80/0 army located in Syria in wartime ready to pounce.
And never, ever try to march south past the Persian Mountains of Doom without some 300K-400K soldiers unless you are sure Persia is already defeated.
You will know that you have turned the tide if my manpower runs out, and that you may be winning the war if I begin talking about using some of my eastern forces. I typically have 250K-300K tied down in Afghanistan and India at all times to discourage predatory thinking in colonial nations and to fight the occasional rebellion.
Basically, to win, you will need to bleed the Persian forces. You have an ally here - me
Duly noted, duly noted indeed.
Maybe the Sultan should ask the Danish admiral in the mediterranian for help on the seas?
Hive said:Maybe the Sultan should ask the Danish admiral in the mediterranian for help on the seas?
Now, that would be a good start
Yes, who knows, it might spark the first Russo-Persian strategic alliance, hypothetically.FAL said:Now, that would be a good start
Peter Ebbesen said:
I wonder how much better the Ottoman and Russian troops would fight if *someone* gave them cash for proper equipment?
0%Hive said:I wonder how much better the Ottoman and Russian troops would fight if *someone* gave them cash for proper equipment?
Peter Ebbesen said:
Yes I know that they don't actually get any better, but they'll be able to afford more of them...
Hive said:I wonder how much better the Ottoman and Russian troops would fight if *someone* gave them cash for proper equipment?
Its never been so mutch cash or number of troops I would say its more about co-operation and coordination Russia has moved to help Ottomans 3 times and every time Russia was unprepaired to do it so going to help in war where only quick breakthrough could make difference doesnt give mutch choice for carefull plans. Something that could have made some real difference would have been if Ottomans had invited Russia in alliance but despite many request it didnt do it even thought then it would have been enought to assault only few province in the begining to prevent Persia being able to stabhit Ottomans and so move mutch slower with suvorov and bring more troops there. This would have given time and forced Persia to divide its troops in two front.
The OE and Russians have never really, as far as I have understood, have problems funding their armies. It is using them that has proven hard every single time. Their operations have not only been lacking in cooperation but have also suffered from a tendency to do all scouting in force - but not sufficient force. E.g. wandering a 100K force around waiting to be pounded by a 200K or 300K Persian hammer seems to be the preferred scouting strategy of both OE and Russia.Hive said:Yes I know that they don't actually get any better, but they'll be able to afford more of them...
Nice, they show now changes in gained provinces and inflation
english inflation dropped nice...and dutch rose significantly
english inflation dropped nice...and dutch rose significantly
Peter Ebbesen said:
Well in this third Persian war it was all that could move quickly enought to help Ottomans I know not wise but hey had to try help Ottomans thought they should at least say thanks for it if they ever want friendly relations with Russia
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Well, if the good Tsar Pavel I seeks a new understanding with Persia rather than the flawed understanding with the Ottoman Empire of earlier Russian administrations, the Shah is full of understanding.Rezag said:Well in this third Persian war it was all that could move quickly enought to help Ottomans I know not wise but hey had to try help Ottomans thought they should at least say thanks for it if they ever want friendly relations with Russia
on sunday i played as a sub in ctd, everything was fine. on monday i arrived with a bottle of coke, a bag of my favourite potatoe-chips and cigarettes at my pc, turned it on, no site to be found, no icq connection to be made, no nothing. the router said, here i am when calling him. did like a dozens of reboots, finally had a hd-format. hd-formats usually work for everything and are my best effort, specialist that i am, but no avail. called my telecommunication-company, eastern, no one there.
problem was solved 5 mins ago, by resetting (!) the router. hope you did not wait too long and read that you have found a capable ai-sub.
now i will try to create the dmz a new and will hopefully be successful to play in tonights game.
problem was solved 5 mins ago, by resetting (!) the router. hope you did not wait too long and read that you have found a capable ai-sub.
now i will try to create the dmz a new and will hopefully be successful to play in tonights game.