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Rezag said:
Indeed, but that falls into the category of trying to find loopholes in rules.
If you're allied and you fight together a war, then three provinces is the maximum. if you break alliance before a war only to ally again, it's obvious that you are trying to pass the rules.
Can't we all play into the spirit of the rules? It's hard enough to fight alone versus two or three countries
It was somehow also my fault the fact that Prussia and Russia each one took three provinces at war against Poland. It was me who offered the provinces, and I was telling them to finish me... Poland wouldn't have any chance of survival anyway.
Poland wouldn't have any chance of survival anyway.
we didn't mind!!!Anibal said:It was somehow also my fault the fact that Prussia and Russia each one took three provinces at war against Poland. It was me who offered the provinces, and I was telling them to finish me...
Anibal said:It was somehow also my fault the fact that Prussia and Russia each one took three provinces at war against Poland. It was me who offered the provinces, and I was telling them to finish me...
Hmm... so it's your fault? We should punish you then. I suggest we do that by giving a Venetian CoT to Denmark.
I freely hand over the province with the Weapons manufactory (I forget which one it is)
I also believe we used a loop hole, but we could not decide who got what spoils.
I also believe we used a loop hole, but we could not decide who got what spoils.
Ok, here's what we are going to do:
Russia and Prussia decide together who keeps which province. the other three will be edited back to poland.
IF you're unable to decide who gets what, I'll roll a dice to solve the matter
This situation is from now on a part of the three province rule. The same counts for breaking an alliance before a war and forming it after the war.
Russia and Prussia decide together who keeps which province. the other three will be edited back to poland.
IF you're unable to decide who gets what, I'll roll a dice to solve the matter
This situation is from now on a part of the three province rule. The same counts for breaking an alliance before a war and forming it after the war.
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Anibal said:It was somehow also my fault the fact that Prussia and Russia each one took three provinces at war against Poland. It was me who offered the provinces, and I was telling them to finish me...
I agree that Poland hadn't a chance of survival, but if you opted to play them, I at least expect a fight there, not disbanding your whole army and hand over six provinces.
The whole subbing for Poland was a bit pointless now
FAL said:Ok, here's what we are going to do:
Russia and Prussia decide together who keeps which province. the other three will be edited back to poland.
IF you're unable to decide who gets what, I'll roll a dice to solve the matter
This situation is from now on a part of the three province rule. The same counts for breaking an alliance before a war and forming it after the war.
CHECK YOUR INFORMATION BEFORE GOING TOO MUTCH ON!!!
Now I cheched what Poland has lost and to who with looking 1714 and 1735 saves:
Pozna, Wielkopolska and Podlasia to Prussia
Donetsk and unfinished colony of Kolyma to Russia
Krakow to Austria
So actually Prussia and Russia took one more than they should have been able to take from Poland meaning return that one Prussian province to Poland. This was the reason why I asked in the first post what Russia and what Prussia took but nobody bothered to check it only continued on with this accusation.
Rezag said:
Code:
April 28, 1733 : Poland accepted peace with Prussia on the following terms : Poznan to Prussia, Wielkopolska to Prussia & Podlasia to Prussia. "
March 19, 1734 : Russia accepted peace with Poland on the following terms : Donetsk to Russia, Magadan to Russia & Kolyma to Russia. "FAL said:
Just a little background. (I played Russia, that day.) I sent a diplomat to Poland asking for Donetsk. It was rejected. The Poland sent me a Peace with the above three. Are you saying the resolution would be that Russia would receive one province and the colony???? In otherwords, Donetsk and Kolyma??
Edit: Russia, also did not declare war on Poland until months after Prussia did. Prussia had almost completed it campaign, before war was declared.
FAL said:
Now Magadan is tradepost!!!! and no I didnt incelude it as I only looked what province Poland had in begining of session and at the end didnt know Poland had made that trade post still it dont count for nothing as colonies count for 0.
Edit: Now please check your information before going to declare GM ruling make sure you atleast have basic information check and correct before that.
Rezag said:
Hold your horses, Rezag.
You are correct that I should have looked into the matter more carefully, the only thing I did was looking in the save file what the gains for prussia and russia were. I didn't thought about the fact that Poland had a trade post or colony, again sorry for that.
however I did not simply declare a GM ruling. I posted my thoughts and plans about the matter. Two players agreed with it, so I simply declared that Prussia and Russia had to decide which provinces they wanted to return.
There was every room to tell this GM that it weren't six provinces. I did not went out to edit stuff as fast as I could
And besides that, the three province rule was still violated by it's spirit. It doesn't matter if you take four or six provinces, it's more then three and that's what counts
Now, to conclude: FOUR provinces were taken from Poland. ONE has to be returned.
Which one will it be?
Russia, I have already given one up, it's up to you to give one up.
O France and Holland? The Nasty Habsburg Emperor (Is there a HRE anymore? I know I am not voting for the Catholic despot) wants to rape me over a few times before the NAP with you ends. Care to protect me some?
O France and Holland? The Nasty Habsburg Emperor (Is there a HRE anymore? I know I am not voting for the Catholic despot) wants to rape me over a few times before the NAP with you ends. Care to protect me some?
Lord_Robertus said:
I believe a lot of miscommunication is going on here
IF Prussia gives up one province, Russia hasn't to do so.
Does Prussia give up one province?
You are asking the Stadtholder and the French king to break treaties?
I think this says enough about the trustworthiness of the wannabe prussian king
I already said that I would give up the province with the manufactory. But that leaves me with 2 and Russia with one and 2 colonies. Do Colonies not count at all?
Pah and you are evil and no longer an Emperor. I withhold my vote!
Pah and you are evil and no longer an Emperor. I withhold my vote!
Lord_Robertus said:
Hrm. Since France was so evil to annex the proud independent elector of Helvetia (France also violated an agreement with that heinous move), I guess the HRE will be void.
But it's not too late!
If the so-called king of Prussia surrenders Anhalt to the realm of Austria and drops his crown at the feet of the emperor * (and thus returning as a proud elector) the emperor will most warmly welcome Friedrich in his armpit once again.
Here comes a letter from the Emperor himself:
Friedrich, my boy, remember: you can choose between two directions: bloodbath on your left hand, peace and prosperity on your right hand!
Be wise! Choose to prosper in the HRE, choose the right choice! Don't leave the Holy (!) Roman Empire of the German (!) nation! Don't forsake your own emperor! Come to senses, realise you cannot be a self-called king! Know where your place is!
End of message.
* Be careful: Crowns can be sharp and the emperor doesn't want to lose a toe
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Lord_Robertus said:
Colonies don't count.
So, to be absolutely clear: Prussia surrenders Podlasia to Poland, right?!