Europe Unleashed: Raiders of the Lost Ark

[Fredrik82]

1. Do nothing.
The Hungarian inheritance is something special thus event driven, imho not similar.

This is the only fair option, the annexation of Lithuania is legal and i see no reason to edit it, besides Austria annexing both Bohemia and OE annexing Hungary by event exceed the current rules too, so if those are legal then so should my annexation be.

2. Russia maintain ownership, but got BB points
Russia would never be able to get THAT much province from Lithaunia or Poland in a normal peace.

This option is not fair, i would never take that BB hit for those shitty provinces, it's like 15-20(?) BB for that and that would take me dangerously close to the BB limit if not even over it.

3. Provinces are owned by Poland, controlled by Russia and OE
Best solution. Continue the war, it shouldn't be to difficult to finish it and gain the initially wnated provinces.

This is not fair either because that put me in a very different situation, Poland will never give up those provinces that i want without me taking almost everything including it's capital, and that is not worth the effort for three shit sucky provinces.

Hive told me that my annexation was legal, anything else would be unfair..

 

[arcorelli]

This is not fair either because that put me in a very different situation, Poland will never give up those provinces that i want without me taking almost everything including it's capital, and that is not worth the effort for three shit sucky provinces.

Actually, you controlled a lot of Lithuanian provinces, your WS against Poland could be quite high. Not sure if they could make a lot of problems giving you 3 provinces (AI Poland last war gave me 2 provinces when I controlled 4)

BTW, until Thursday, mine or Hive's opinion are as valuable as any member of the crew. Discussion is open until Thursday, and GM will only rule if the crew don't reach an agreement.

 

[unmerged(9404)]

This is the only fair option, the annexation of Lithuania is legal and i see no reason to edit it, besides Austria annexing both Bohemia and OE annexing Hungary by event exceed the current rules too, so if those are legal then so should my annexation be.

The difference is that it is event driven and this one not. It's not like the invasion of Poland and Lithaunia by four countries and them taking certain key provinces triggered this event.

This is not fair either because that put me in a very different situation, Poland will never give up those provinces that i want without me taking almost everything including it's capital, and that is not worth the effort for three shit sucky provinces.

You would control 11 provinces (and probably close to 12, Smolensk), Poland only three. Poland will be quite favourable to a peace offer as long as you don't ask for too much, it would be even more favourable to peace if you wait a little while till the other polish provinces are taken.


BTW I don't really like what Seen and Adam Breit did to avoid the spanish bankruptcy events, it's exploiting the event system How can Spain let Portugal take the worlds biggest gold mine?

 

[Rezag]

BTW I don't really like what Seen and Adam Breit did to avoid the spanish bankruptcy events, it's exploiting the event system How can Spain let Portugal take the worlds biggest gold mine?

To avoid the bankrupt event as its clearly easyly worth it when the one who has the gold is spanish ally anyway. I too dont like it but cant help it as GM:s approve it thought this was supposed to be game that should avoid hyperteching.

All we can do is war the greedy Devil of Spain and hope it slows him down sadly it likely slows us even more.

 

[Hive]

To avoid the bankrupt event as its clearly easyly worth it when the one who has the gold is spanish ally anyway. I too dont like it but cant help it as GM:s approve it thought this was supposed to be game that should avoid hyperteching.

Well what can we do? Tell Portugal that he can't take gold mines? Tell Spain that he *have* to annex both the Incas and the Aztecs?

 

[unmerged(9404)]

Well what can we do? Tell Portugal that he can't take gold mines? Tell Spain that he *have* to annex both the Incas and the Aztecs?

I don't what you can do, if you should do anything. Its just that's imho exploiting the game which I don't particularly like.

 

[arcorelli]

To avoid the bankrupt event as its clearly easyly worth it when the one who has the gold is spanish ally anyway. I too dont like it but cant help it as GM:s approve it thought this was supposed to be game that should avoid hyperteching.

All we can do is war the greedy Devil of Spain and hope it slows him down sadly it likely slows us even more.

Well, it is not like the GM can decide the places people wil conquer/ colonize.

Anyway, as far as I can see, the hyper teching Spain has not won any war against France (it was Madrid who was sacked, not Paris after all). And you will have the aid of one country that can become extremely rich (and if Spain continues to annoy England, you can count with the aid of 2 naval nations). If your enemies really chose to hyper tech and become really uber, you should count with an uber alliance against them. There are not rules against that after all.

 

[Hive]

(and if Spain continues to annoy England, you can count with the aid of 2 naval nations).

So far, Spain have only been a slight annoyance...

His evil Portuguese ally, on the other hand...

 

[Rezag]

Well what can we do? Tell Portugal that he can't take gold mines? Tell Spain that he *have* to annex both the Incas and the Aztecs?

Well if you read my post to the end you get my proposal WAR .

 

[Rezag]

Well, it is not like the GM can decide the places people wil conquer/ colonize.

Anyway, as far as I can see, the hyper teching Spain has not won any war against France (it was Madrid who was sacked, not Paris after all). And you will have the aid of one country that can become extremely rich (and if Spain continues to annoy England, you can count with the aid of 2 naval nations). If your enemies really chose to hyper tech and become really uber, you should count with an uber alliance against them. There are not rules against that after all.

Well yes because Spain has failed time after time to use his 3 times France income to defeate France and thats quit amazing.

 

[arcorelli]

Well yes because Spain has failed time after time to use his 3 times France income to defeate France and thats quit amazing.

The income gap should reduce I guess in the future (the good old United Provinces Republic should send to you funds once they are rich. So Iron you got a very important mission in the game ).

And money is not in war. Morale -as the experience of the counter reformist french say- got some relevance too.

 

[Rezag]

The income gap should reduce I guess in the future (the good old United Provinces Republic should send to you funds once they are rich. So Iron you got a very important mission in the game ).

And money is not in war. Morale -as the experience of the counter reformist french say- got some relevance too.

heh Iam sure Austrian Archduje would be mutch more worried of Spain without the spanish gold in Dukes treasury and Iam sure duke wants to keep spanish gold running in future too . So I highly doubt Duke would ever realy be interested before too late to make any alliance against Spain isnt it obvious from the way they try to even talk Holland France only ally out from France alliance.

Counter reformist does mean even slover tech advance and not so good monarch for France in future thing our dear Duke is so willing to forget when just concentrating to protect the ever growing wealth of Spain.

Allso Holland wont be rich enought in long long time to support France with money instead money will flow from France to Holland while Spain will become even more rich compared to France with their more advanced trade methods soon discovered.

And money is not war what an absurd comment money is major part of war it defines reinforcements and so the ablity to fight war realy. Allso it plays major part in war technology that means France must find other methods to be able fght superior spanish weapons.

 

[Rezag]

Is the french king so careless that he has noted that Spain and Austria are not allies. And that we and they had fought several wars in our own. We are friendly, as proper among relatives, but not allies.

And although we acknowledge that France understood the venetian needs, Venice knows where austrian troops could had stand in the case of need. The venetian republic is very well regarded in Austria, and we always remeber his splendid aid in our common wars.

So maybe AUstria is willing to help Venice receive rest of Italy that should be part it the spanish part but then again Austria wouldnt support that would they .

Germany is currently divided between an austrian, a Brandenburg and a currently neutral sphere of influence (as the discussion regarding Koln showed). Netherlands could expand in any of them, and we simply don't understand why France thinks that our offer should even involve the current sphere of influence of Brandenburg.

And our letter don't talked about Netherlands leaving their current alliance with France, only if it is safe and wise to share a border with France. So your accusations of megalomaniac alliance are, as we had come to expect from France, baseless and full of mistakes.

Let see Germany is divided between Austria&Brandenburg but bringing Holland there it would be divided between Austria&Hollan&Brandenburg and Austria was is eager to hand over the neutrall land to Holland if this allias Habsburgs doesnt that mean it to be still neutral territory dear Duke?

And its not wise to rule united Holland that would mean border with France instead its wise to leave Spain very strong and rich land and practicly surround itself with Habsburgs that can then even more dictate the future of Holland.

And dear duke France offer Holland united Holland and the real riches of new worlds when duke only offers border with Brandenburg or be surrounded by Habsburg. So duke with France Holland can become rich like you say and with Habsburg they can come what europe dwarf slave of habsburgs.

 

[arcorelli]

heh Iam sure Austrian Archduje would be mutch more worried of Spain without the spanish gold in Dukes treasury and Iam sure duke wants to keep spanish gold running in future too . So I highly doubt Duke would ever realy be interested before too late to make any alliance against Spain isnt it obvious from the way they try to even talk Holland France only ally out from France alliance.

The message you are replying was not in character Rezag. I was not talking as Archduke

Allso Holland wont be rich enought in long long time to support France with money instead money will flow from France to Holland while Spain will become even more rich compared to France with their more advanced trade methods soon discovered.

Netherlands is gonna have even better trade methods that Spain (they are right now, small and they are gonna receive a lot of good events -manus, less inflation etc.) Anyway, a couple of sessions and the NL should be rich

And money is not war what an absurd comment money is major part of war it defines reinforcements and so the ablity to fight war realy. Allso it plays major part in war technology that means France must find other methods to be able fght superior spanish weapons.

I wrote too fast. I meant is not everything in war. Morale, MP, allies count too. And regarding technology, the present war has showed too that tech is not everything in war too.

 

[arcorelli]

So maybe AUstria is willing to help Venice receive rest of Italy that should be part it the spanish part but then again Austria wouldnt support that would they .

Is the french king talking about what the Doge wants? We talk about venetian aims with the Doge.

Let see Germany is divided between Austria&Brandenburg but bringing Holland there it would be divided between Austria&Hollan&Brandenburg and Austria was is eager to hand over the neutrall land to Holland if this allias Habsburgs doesnt that mean it to be still neutral territory dear Duke?

The french king, as always, don't understand what the Archduke says. I don't said anything about 'handing over' neutral Germany. I only said that there are opportunties of expansion in Germany and they don't involve only lands where Brandenburg rules.

And its not wise to rule united Holland that would mean border with France instead its wise to leave Spain very strong and rich land and practicly surround itself with Habsburgs that can then even more dictate the future of Holland.

Is France who is surrounded by Habsburgs. Netherlands share border now with Spain and with Austrian and Branbenburg vassals (and I believe Koln, currently under no foreign overlordship). And the austrian vassal -Oldenburg- in any case will probably be lost in the following years.You certainly are not that a good ally if you regard your strategic position equal to the position of your ally.

And dear duke France offer Holland united Holland and the real riches of new worlds when duke only offers border with Brandenburg or be surrounded by Habsburg. So duke with France Holland can become rich like you say and with Habsburg they can come what europe dwarf slave of habsburgs.

Since the archduke has not said anything about the new world, and is only saying that having 2 specific provinces in Europe maybe is not that wise, and there are other places where Netherlands can have 2 provinces in Europe (for MP), we simply don't understand what the french king is talking about.

 

[Rezag]

I wrote too fast. I meant is not everything in war. Morale, MP, allies count too. And regarding technology, the present war has showed too that tech is not everything in war too.

Now if you read my post I say clearly that to counter the tech France has to look other methods to be able succesfully fight Spain. I never said tech is everything. You just keep negletting everything only because Spain has not been able to defeat France before. And try to make it look like all advances Spain has dont mean nothing.

You talk allies well France has fought Spain 2 wars without allies as only allies France has had has been ai allies. When on other hand Spain had Portugal and friendly Austria who was ready to jump in even in first war on spanish side. Now only in this third war France first time has ally.

Only advance France has is slightly higher moral and at moment its only because of counter reform.

Its simply that France with less resources has used better what it has than Spain who has most of the cards in hes hand has wasted them time after time.

 

[arcorelli]

Now if you read my post I say clearly that to counter the tech France has to look other methods to be able succesfully fight Spain. I never said tech is everything. You just keep negletting everything only because Spain has not been able to defeat France before. And try to make it look like all advances Spain has dont mean nothing.

Not nothing, but you had been able to defeat them. In other words, is a fact that the advantages of Spain can be defeated with good play.

You talk allies well France has fought Spain 2 wars without allies as only allies France has had has been ai allies. When on other hand Spain had Portugal and friendly Austria who was ready to jump in even in first war on spanish side. Now only in this third war France first time has ally.

And I was talking about the future. BTW, is a shame that you could not use your AI allies, they are quite useful when you can use them.

So, France had been able to defeat Spain in a 1-v-1 even if Spain got all advantages. In the current situation, France will have now allies they can use.

And the diplomatic situation should change in the next sessions anyway. Venice is strong enough to change alliances if they want (I hope they don't but it is a fact that they are stronger than before). Brandenburg dominates Northern Germany, they probably will be more active. The same can be said of England. The situation of Scandinavia should change. There are a lot of opportunities for the french king to pursue (well for everyone)

 

[Adam B.]

Avoiding the bancrupties cost me 3 daimn gold mines, wich I will never take back or anything (that would be gamey).

Spain is strong in economy, not just because I didn't get the bancrupties, but because I am a good trader (and I wish the same could be said about warring ).

And beware, because my money that comes monthly, I almost always do not take (exept for missionaries and Governors, and they are quite a lot, so I got quite a lot of inflation) they are always for tech.

And about hyperteching... I have invested in LT 14, while France did not, France still has 11, And I doubt they minted all, or that they have put everything in NT, so WHO is hyperteching ???

 

[arcorelli]

And about hyperteching... I have invested in LT 14, while France did not, France still has 11, And I doubt they minted all, or that they have put everything in NT, so WHO is hyperteching ???

Anyway, even Austria -a very poor country- is able to get LT 14 soon. So it is possible for France get better LT if they had chosen to.

 

[Adam B.]

Anyway, even Austria -a very poor country- is able to get LT 14 soon. So it is possible for France get better LT if they had chosen to.

Yes, But they chose to hypertech Trade and Infra, and Accuse me of hyperteching.