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The Dutch Parliament has decided:
-Netherlands will help Sweden in any defensive war - as long as they want our help
-Netherlands will enter a RM with Sweden
-Sweden are free to ask us for military access - which we will accept
-We will ask Sweden for military access
-Sweden is our MOST IMPORTANT ally - and we will consider all their proposals as friends

 

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Originally posted by gak
I will remind the Swedish King that the provinces he is talking about are not presently a part of the Swedish realm. Since the Netherlands hasn`t signed the treaty of Firenze we are free to colonize the area whenever we want. This is - however - not really an option for us since we will maintain our good relations to the Swedes. We will, anyhow, mention it to remind the Swedes that the payment they receive are voluntary. Thay shall - in other words - not try to blackmail us!

Sweden merely wishes to recieve compensation for handing over claims on mentioned provinces, nothing more. Like any other nation the Dutch Republic could offcourse just go ahead and colonize whatever it likes, but that would not be wise. And as the selling of the claims on Para was requested by the Dutch President we dont understand how it could result in blackmail. Its not like we will begin chopping off dutch heads if they refuse to buy something we dont really want to sell.

What Bjørnson is trying to say is that the Dutch President wants Sweden to consider 100 ducats as a fair payment. Portugal ceded the rights of 8 provinces for free, and demanded not more than 50 for a TP. This is therefore a very good offer.

As we mentioned before other nations actions do not effect our desicionmaking regarding prices. Para is much more important for Sweden then some colonies to Portugal so there is no ground for comparison. We set the price on a level of importanty to ourselves, rather then to other nations. As we wish only to bring some special goods to our realm from a minor colonial empire wich will exist of 4 colonies with the abandonment of Para u must clearly see our motives. However to show that our friendship to the Dutch Republic is genuine we will agree to the price of 100. We hope the Dutch have also not forgotten that there are two more issues to be agreed on in the Kings proposal before the deal is complete.

The Dutch Parliament has decided:
-Netherlands will help Sweden in any defensive war - as long as they want our help
-Netherlands will enter a RM with Sweden
-Sweden are free to ask us for military access - which we will accept
-We will ask Sweden for military access
-Sweden is our MOST IMPORTANT ally - and we will consider all their proposals as friends

The Swedish King is most pleased with this decision. We will also swear to defend the integrity of Dutch lands against any agressor. The King is sure that with this alliance the future will prosper for both our great realms.

We also hope that our protestant brethren from England will react positive to these new developments.

Signed, Erik XIV, King of Sweden, Ruler of Scandinavia

 

[Lord Ganja]

The Spanish king has just recently returned to his palast and not yet been able to take a look at our map of the New World.

Would the Dutch regent mind sumarizing what lands he is demanding/offering to the Spanish crown please. We have lost track in ´because neither our Dutch nor Swedish is very appropriate.
Generally speaking, Spain is very interested in signing a peace before talking about transfering other territory.
We also believe that the treaty of Firenze should be reviewed and renewed after the war is over. On the hand hand there are several points which we consider invalid at recent times like for example the Austrian claims on the Netherlands. On the other hand we would like to see ALL European powers signing this new treaty.

After those points have been woprked out and we have found our lost map somewhere on our messed up desktop (The former regent was a genius but he had no talent for paperwork) we wil be happy to work together with the Dutch for closer relationships.

 

[Mem de Sá]

To the August Dutch Lord,

We do think that the value of land is relative. We are interested in buying the lands of French Canada in the hands of the dutch. We think we offered a fair price for a few underveloped provincies with no intrinsic strategic value to us, as it was the case with Table.

We will offer 400 ducats for those provincies. It´s the most our kingdom can afford. That should more than compensate the dutch for the investiment they made in those provincies.

That´s our counter-propose and it´s also our last proposal. We think its more than fair, as those provincies wont give us economic return for much time.

We also advise the Republic that further expansio in North America wont be seen with good eyes.

Sincerality,
Ettiene d´Valmy
French Ambassador in Netherlands

 

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The President of the Democratic Republic of Netherlands has decided:

-The deal with Sweden about buying exclusive colonization rights from the province of Para and eastwards for 100 ducats will go through

-France will be able to buy our three provinces in Canada for 400 ducats on the following terms: France recognizes the dutch claims on Brazil, France accepts further dutch expansion in North America (and in the rest of the world) unless they are ready to buy us off. The French will not be able to participate in any war against the Netherlands for the next 20 years.

-The Netherlands will like to know how much Spain will charge for the colonization rights of Artigos and Neembucu, and a hand-over of the Spanish TP Parana.

-The Netherlands is also interested in buying the innerland of our TP in Cuyuni (the provinces between the two rivers surrounding it). We want you to suggest a price.

 

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Dutch provinces for sale in North America

The Colonial Advisor of the Dutch Democracy has decided to cancel all dutch expansion in North America, and offers therefore the following provinces on the free market:

Bahamas (200 ducats)
Wisconsin (50 ducats)
San Bernandino (200 ducats)
Inyo (50 ducats)
Connecticut (200 ducats)
Bangor (150 ducats)
Stadcone (250 ducats)

The price is final, and discount is only given when bying three provinces or more. If two (or more) countries are interested in the same province, the country that makes the highest bid will be able to buy it. The deadline for making bids is set to Sunday 22nd at 12.00 GMT. THE DUTCH RESERVE THEMSELVES THE RIGHT OF EXPANDING THIS COLONIES IF NO ONE BUY THEM.


Signed by Albert de Waard (Colonial Advisor) and Cornelius Creuys (Chief of Dutch Fleets).

 

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Message to the French King:

You will have to participate in the auction as everyone else. Your current bid at 400 ducats will not be accepted.

 

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The President of the Democratic Republic of Netherlands apologize that his colonial advisor, Albert De Waard, made a few mistakes in his judgement of the value of the provinces for sale.

The correct prices are:

Wisconsin (50 ducats)
Connecticut (150 ducats)
Bangor (150 ducats)
Stadcone (250 ducats)
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ALL ABOVE: 500 DUCATS (discount of 100 ducats)
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San Bernandino (150 ducats)
Inyo (50 ducats)
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ALL ABOVE: 175 DUCATS (discount of 25 ducats)
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Bahamas (150 ducats)

If one nation wishes to buy all the dutch provinces the price is set to 750 ducats (discount of 200 ducats). Remember: the highest bid will be accepted as long as it is similar or higher than what`s described above.

 

[Mem de Sá]

Ah, the prices of usury...

So that all know:

The French Kingdom retires his just and fair ofert for the Canadian provincies actually occuped by the Dutch Republic. We do not negotiate with usurers.

Any expansion on Canada or Lousiania will be considereted an act of war. Any expansion on New English will also be considerated an act of war against our allies, the English, and we will support them.

Any country that buys the continentals provincies that belongs to the French Colony of Canada, will be considerated in war with France.

Ettiene d´Valmy
French Ambassador in Netherlands

 

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Well - you would have to increase your offer by 50 ducats - does that makes the prices usury? I will ask you consider this once again, and will remind you that your English nabour may also be interested in buying these provinces.

The Dutch Parliament has not accepted the French claim on Canada yet and is free to expand its colonial empire wherever it wants. This may also include selling the provinces we have to others. Maybe I didn`t say it clear enough but NETHERLANDS WILL ACCEPT THE FRENCH CLAIMS ON NORTH AMERICA (AND THERBY NOT EXPAND ITS EMPIRE HERE) IF FRANCE BUYS OUR PROVINCES.

 

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I will also remind France that the only reason why we want to sell these rich North American provinces is to meet their demand on them. If their withdrawal in the negotations means that they no longer are interested, we will be happy to expand our colonies there in order to make our own fortune! The French attitude makes it difficult for us to meet the demands in Treaty of Firenze which we are trying to do. I will once again ask you to consider it - the conseqvenses for France are more serious than for us, since these provinces are more suited for Dutch colonization than anyone else!

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Camisa 10
Any expansion on Canada or Lousiania will be considereted an act of war. Any expansion on New English will also be considerated an act of war against our allies, the English, and we will support them.

'Any expansion' means: Founding new colonies or TPs or is part of this term too the development of already founded colonies. Because Portugal find unreasonable that France will not buy that colonies at the price that the Netherlands asks and -at the same time- forbids that the Netherlands develop the colonies that already have. The Netherlands have the right to develop colonies that had founded. If France wants to have all the interior of NA for itself, they should negotiate with their current owners.

 

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Well - this is maybe to generous, but in order to meet the French demand I am willing to let countries buy the provinces together and still get the same discount.

An example:

France, England and Spain agree that they want to buy all the dutch provinces in North America. France wants Connecticut, Bangor and Stadcone which they pay 400 ducats for (as they offered this morning), England buys Bermuda and Wisconsin for 200 ducats, while Spain pays 150 ducats for San Bernandino and Inyo. This is corresponding to the discount of 750 for all the dutch provinces (or a discount of 200).

 

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I want to remind the Spanish Emperor that the Netherlands is interested in some of his provinces. We will offer 150 ducats for the TP in Parana. This will also include a hand-over of the colonization rights of Cuyuni (where we already have a TP), Guyana, Artigos and Neembucu to us. It also requires that you buy San Bernandino and Inyo, if no other nation is interested.

 

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Originally posted by gak
The President of the Democratic Republic of Netherlands has decided:
-The deal with Sweden about buying exclusive colonization rights from the province of Para and eastwards for 100 ducats will go through

If the other two points mentioned in the Kings proposal are also agreed on by the Dutch, namely the recognition of our claims on marajo (and hinterland) for eternity and the province of Magdenburg to another german minor then Mecklenburg, only then will the sale of claims on Para be complete.

 

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Of course - we will recognize the Swedish claims on Marajao and innerland, and Magdeburg is handed over to Hannover.

 

[Lord Ganja]

Spain proposes the following agreement to the Netherlands:

-Netherlands cedes San Bernadino and Inyo and Cuyani to Spain
-Spain cedes Parana to Netherlands, pay 100 ducats and grants Netherlands access to Artigos and Neembucu.

 

[Citizen_X]

We re gratefull that Holland has this this new president, we re sure that his negociate character can be very good for our future relations.

In this moment Holland not ve english claims in North America, but we desires remember our official claims exprexed years ago in the conferenze of Firenze:

[5. England claims to Curacao and Martinique are recognized by all nations. England claims to the great island of Placentia / Wabana/ Gender, east of New France are recognized by all nations. England claims in Florida are recognized by all nations

6. North Frontier between New England and New France set at Hudson River and lake Ontario. Niagara are recognized as part of New England. Penescolt, Micmam, Anticost, Belle Isle, Caniapsicau, Nain and Saguenay to France. France will give Santé to England.

7. West Frontier between French Louisiania and New England to be set at Alabama River and a line set from it till the lakes. A neutral area to colonizate temporally by the French until it be finally set in a adendum to this treaty.

The violation of this points, and the french official claims should be considerer in London one insult upon us and our allies. We desires a pacefull end of this colonial problems, and open a good relations and our sister the republic of Holland.
The Unknowed Citizen, in the name of our graciosus majesty, the Queen Elisabeth I of England.

 

[arcorelli]

Originally posted by Lord Ganja
We also believe that the treaty of Firenze should be reviewed and renewed after the war is over.

Portugal agrees with the king of Spain that the treaty of Firenze should be renewed. The situation of Netherlands -that had colonized provinces in NA outside of the treaty, as is her right- need to be adressed in a general european treaty. Portugal also believes that a new treaty is needed, not only that Netherlands signs the old one.

We also believe that the behavior of the kings of France and England, simply to renew their previous claims without make changes to the presence of a new european power is to be regretted. All countries with previous SA claims -Portugal, Sweden and Spain- had been willing to open space and reduce their previous claims to the Republic of the United Provinces. We think that is an excellent example to be followed by other european powers.

Signed in Lisbon by the Portuguese High Council.

 

[Citizen_X]

Hampcourt Palace , Anni Domini 1571-1781, London.


Kingdown of England

All members of the Parlament thought that the nexts years should be good for english affairs. In November we repay of our old loan and later we do our first city in India, in the province of Trivarium, continuing sending settlers to Madurai.

A unknowed conqueror discover all Australia and webuild our first port and any trading posts in this goods land for the shepherds.

But one day, arrives a new that begun a new age, Austria was broken his alliance wich Venice, France, Potugal and us and was joined wich spaniards, at the same time, they reclamed any italian provinces to our allied, our respected republic of Venice, and the negative of Venice thw war was opened.

At the begining, we ve a big army, thanks to the
reforms (+10k and 20 cannons) but the major part was in the colonies, and the same and the fleet. But urgence provoces the reclutacion in anglia of 10'k more that was senden and the army of the Island to help in the defense of Portugal.

The excelent defense of protuguese people, and late his victorys against the spanish armys in change our objective really soon.
The world was supresed wich the valiant portugueses armys.

We send our troops to Mexico, our obejectives was take spanish gold in this provinces and help french colonial army. The spanish defense was really hard, but our troops win in the major part of the battes (11 of 17) and take the richest city of Tecnochistan, the capital of this lands.

In this moment we re ending tow sieges in Mexico, and we think that the situacion of Spain is really bad, the better for the goverment of Madrid is surrender soon, before we take more provinces and desires increse our demands of peace.

In other hand, we consideres Austria the only responsable of this situacion and desires that they reflect about his responsability in the war and in the results for his allies.

The unknowed advanced minister, in the name of our gloriosus majesty, the Queen Elisabeth I of England