That was the way it went? Lol
You can have a little bit of East Africa if you want, but stay with us. Sweden wasn´t a mayor power until much later, so stay tuned. Would be a shame.
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That was the way it went? Lol
You can have a little bit of East Africa if you want, but stay with us. Sweden wasn´t a mayor power until much later, so stay tuned. Would be a shame.
Why did you need approval from Venice in order to take Denmark? Venice do not ask anyone when conquered half Italy: they got good allies to backup their claims. Venice can oppose whatever they want to oppose, but is up to Sweden to achieve acquiesence of other european nations to take Denmark.
Portugal already recognized the claim on Mecklenburg. I have not hear from any other country problems with Sweden conquering Denmark (Portugal do not have any). If you think that Venice is too powerful and have a strong alliance to back them, well Sweden can do several actions about that.
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Yep, haven´t heard of any objections either but those of venetia. just take denmark. who will stopp you? the mighty french fleet with their dozen ships? just get on terms with austria which should be possible I think and go for it.
Originally posted by Maestro (r)
First of all if I remember correctly you said u were bored and wanted a war, immediatly Spain went crazy with joy and the only question was.. who should we attack?. Uh lets see.. hmm lets take Ottos on with all of us and we'll call ourself the catholic league.. oh but we need a reason... hmm how bout Jeruzalem?
I hope u will see my point here with this warplanning... isnt it supposed to be other way around? Reason first then diplomacy then eventually war if all fails? And u surely cant deny that a peacefull solution was not very actively pursued. And I think if ur motives were truly genuine why not liberate more catholics then just one tiny province... 2 or 3 more sure would be no problem if the war was truly justified no? Its not like that would have dismembered Ottos or something.
As to our relations Venice... First of all I chose Sweden cuz its interesting for the game and because I didnt want to be one of the traditional majors cuz I've been there, done that... u know what I mean, probably same reason why u chose venice. Its like if u choose France u know u'll be powerfull if u dont mess up to bad (no offense Camisa), our countries take a little more planning. One of the things that bothers me most is that u call Sweden not important and urself like vital for the game. Well wouldnt u agree that if u play a long term MP game all countries are important?
All I'm doing is to try to make Sweden a reasonable ally/enemy for the future but u cant even swallow Sweden annexing Denmark wich is vital and I cant see the reason behind it since u annexed ur way into half of Italy. Or are those Italian lesser people than the Danish? Seems alot of dubious motives to me. And my colonization stress was only triggered by the fact that all my efforts to get some colonies going were booted like a bearded virgin out of hell by other nations. And i dont see why.. isnt the world big enough for me to have some peacefull colonies? Do i really need to get mad to get some freakin colonies that arent even that important to me? I sure wouldnt go to war for them. All I'm saying is I tried my best to get some help with this proces but nobody seems to care ;( And so u just claiming California is mine! and no objections (except for me then)from any other nation determines my place in this game I guess. If you all want a weak Sweden than just tell me and I'll be ok with it... my girlfriend is nagging me anyway about where im at sundays
First of all, you seem to take some of my jokes too seriously. When I said I was bored and wanted war, It was a joke. I was actually not very interested in a war, if you must know it, because I wanted to save money for conversions. But since the other catholic nations (especially Spain) was interested in such a crusade, I thought that this was an opportunity not to miss - cuz like I have previously stated, I like to liberate Jerusalem when I play catholic nations. I personally feel it is in the spirit of the game for catholics to try such a thing, but clearly you disagree. I can't understand why you think taking more provinces from OE would make the war more righteous. Firstly, Jerusalem is a 1 province revolter. They have cores on more, but can only be given 1 province as a vassal. Secondly, none of us wanted to cripple OE badly - cuz that would make it a mean gangbang, which none of us wanted - although I know, that you see the war as a such as it was.
When I said Sweden wasn't important, I was joking as well. Just like the things I said about the Sultan's harem. I told u that I could easily accept (oh wll, not easy but I could accept it...
) that you annexed Denmark. But I must admit that I sometimes forget it is a game, and therefore dislikes seing Denmark annexed. I will try to work on that problem... And I have no problems with Sweden doing some colonialisation either - I just didn't want it to be in California (as you said you wanted to), as it was given to me by Spain. I don't see the reason for giving you the specific dertails of the Spanish-Venetian agreement, as it was a matter between the 2 of us. But the agreement proves, that I did no just 'claim' California out of the blue as you say I did. But I apologize if you feel that I have said stuff that made Venice more important than Sweden and made you feel like an outsider or something. I think all our nations are important - even the heathen OE!, which is why I didn't want to cripple them badly.I understand why you took Sweden, and you are right when saying that I took Venice for many of the same reasons. I have grown big, bigger than I thought possible at this stage of the game. This has been achieved through diplomacy and through the fact that my neighbours has been kind with me. This is probably due to the fact, that some of them are newbies. That doesn't in any way make them bad players, but it results in some more cautious playing styles. The two of us both knows that most French, Austrian, OE or Spanish players would never had allowed me to take/keep all their Italian/Greek cores - but as things turned out, I could - so why shouldn't I? I'm sure that if we restarted (not that I want to!
), I wouoldn't be allowed to do that again. I must admit that had I been Asutria or OE, I would have dowed Venice immediatly to gain Istria/Greek islands. But as things turned out, the two of them went to war instead, giving me time to ally with France.
Exactly. Off course, I try to form the game as I like to see it with the power I currently have - don't we all? I had no plans what-so-ever to go to war because of Denmark, and I'm sure that if I did, several other nations would help you. It is of course without any form of justification that Venice tries to control the situation in Scandinavia, and I'm not able to do it either. One thing is to object against something, another thing is to do anythinig about it...
Btw, I forgot to mention this in my previous post: There is somethiing you all should know about me... when I play a catholic nation, I try to convert as many heathens and heretics as possible - and would like to see the whole world catholic if possible. When I play a sunni nation, I would like to convert all shia moslems. When I play a protestant/reformed nation, I would like to defend others of same relgion against the catholics, and preserve religious freedom (although it doesn't prevent me from trying to annex a few of 'my own, as well as convert my own provinces
). To say it short: Religion is an important factor for me when playing EU2!
Ok maybe its just me being a bad diplomat but i never signed any treaty whatsoever. We do however respect other treaties in the way that we dont actively violate them when it could be avoided in any way. I mean why should we? We did talk to England about this matter and concluded that the east coast was out of the question. So eyes turned to the other coast since we dont want to be to far off the homeland... any further would require a rather large fleet wich we do not posses yet.
And if Venice got the rights for Cali and other provnices from Spain for unclear reasons cant they be challenged for it? If Spain and Portugal would back these rights up Sweden would sure not dare to do so.
We do appreciate the efforts from the Noble Kingdoms of Portugal and Ottos in pointing out other options to us. We will explore these options.
lol damn more replies to the last post coming in as i type .. have to reply:
We sure dont need the approval from Venice to annex Denmark it was just the fact that they had problems with it. Our alliance wasnt bad at first too with Spain, Portugal and England but England left us for reasons I cant remember.
We are ashamed to say that we have kind of neglected our relations with Austria and hope to higher relations with this honorabe Kingdom in the near future. Austrias recognition for our claims on Mecklenburg as well as from other nations would considerably improve relations for starters.
Oh and yes thats how it went Melchior
And if Venice got the rights for Cali and other provnices from Spain for unclear reasons cant they be challenged for it? If Spain and Portugal would back these rights up Sweden would sure not dare to do so.
We do appreciate the efforts from the Noble Kingdoms of Portugal and Ottos in pointing out other options to us. We will explore these options.
lol damn more replies to the last post coming in as i type .. have to reply:
We sure dont need the approval from Venice to annex Denmark it was just the fact that they had problems with it. Our alliance wasnt bad at first too with Spain, Portugal and England but England left us for reasons I cant remember.
We are ashamed to say that we have kind of neglected our relations with Austria and hope to higher relations with this honorabe Kingdom in the near future. Austrias recognition for our claims on Mecklenburg as well as from other nations would considerably improve relations for starters.
Oh and yes thats how it went Melchior
Originally posted by Hive
First of all, you seem to take some of my jokes too seriously. When I said I was bored and wanted war, It was a joke. I was actually not very interested in a war, if you must know it, because I wanted to save money for conversions. But since the other catholic nations (especially Spain) was interested in such a crusade, I thought that this was an opportunity not to miss - cuz like I have previously stated, I like to liberate Jerusalem when I play catholic nations. I personally feel it is in the spirit of the game for catholics to try such a thing, but clearly you disagree. I can't understand why you think taking more provinces from OE would make the war more righteous. Firstly, Jerusalem is a 1 province revolter. They have cores on more, but can only be given 1 province as a vassal. Secondly, none of us wanted to cripple OE badly - cuz that would make it a mean gangbang, which none of us wanted - although I know, that you see the war as a such as it was.
When I said Sweden wasn't important, I was joking as well. Just like the things I said about the Sultan's harem. I told u that I could easily accept (oh wll, not easy but I could accept it...
I understand why you took Sweden, and you are right when saying that I took Venice for many of the same reasons. I have grown big, bigger than I thought possible at this stage of the game. This has been achieved through diplomacy and through the fact that my neighbours has been kind with me. This is probably due to the fact, that some of them are newbies. That doesn't in any way make them bad players, but it results in some more cautious playing styles. The two of us both knows that most French, Austrian, OE or Spanish players would never had allowed me to take/keep all their Italian/Greek cores - but as things turned out, I could - so why shouldn't I? I'm sure that if we restarted (not that I want to!
Yes well i think we really need to work on our communication. I dont wanna be seen as the guy who cant take a joke... i sure laugh my ass off about half of the insults
Maybe all these J's making me cranky As for the war with Ottos we will have to agree to disagree i guess. You are definetly right with ur point on how u achieved so much in so little time. In all honesty I think that was also part of my frustration too, being threatened by a mighty Venice. And the leniency towards you from almost all other nations. It was certainly a new experience to me. I thank u for that
As for the matter of California I think I have been clear enough, no wars will be fought about em on my part only diplomatic ones from wich the first one ended up in a draw I say
Spain and I agreed upon the California thing. You did not sign anything, and are therefore not bound by anything either. If you want to challenge me for it, feel free to do so. The fact that I say something belongs to me doesn't exactly make it carved in stone...
As to the annexation of Denmark: have you read my posts explaining this? I don't even know why you think it is so important what I say - although my allies are loyal, they don't necesseraly join any stupid war I start...
And as Portugal and OE has made clear: Venice was the only nation that complained, so why make such a big deal of it? It's not like a nation needs apporoval from all other nations every time they want to annex a province.EDIT: I just noticed that you have replied to my previous post. I think our issues should be worked out by now, right? And I once again apologize if my jokes sounds too serious... maybe I should just do like you: smoke some more good stuff and talk less!
Btw, I think that it's great that you have expressed dissatisfation with my behaviour. It is good to have it discussed, instead of it hurting the game. Although I don't agree with you on the OE war (as you say: we agree to disagree), I can understand your other points.
And don't worry: I don't get all mad and call for my alliance to punish anyone who disagrees with my viewpoints - but I might make an exception with this Swedish King, who deserves a whoop-ass... he he...
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but I might make an exception with this Swedish King, who deserves a whoop-ass... he he...
HeHe Bring It On!
always like a good spanking
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Originally posted by Maestro (r)
HeHe Bring It On!
always like a good spanking
Just what I suspected, he he... My spies at the Swedish court have reported having heard you yell "hit me hard and call me animal names!" late at night...
Btw, your quote fits nicely into our game, don't you agree?
Btw, your quote fits nicely into our game, don't you agree?
I sure do! And as I remember correctly those spies of urs were very capable with those whips. I just kept wondering why they kept calling me Donkey sons Doge
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Maestro said:
>Its like if u choose France u know u'll be powerfull if u dont mess >up to bad (no offense Camisa), our countries take a little more >planning.
Hehe, no problem! Actually, i choose France because its my first long game in mp and with the French I could screw them many times and still be having a fun game. Its only to drink the magic manpower potion of Panoramix and back in the scene
Jezz... I cant even understand the economic aspect of the game
Only before last session discovered that by new patchs each trade agremment lowered trade eficiency by 1%... merd... I had treaty with Huron!!!
And Hive said:
>I have grown big, bigger than I thought possible at this stage of the game. This has been achieved through diplomacy and through the fact that my neighbours has been kind with me. This is probably due to the fact, that some of them are newbies. That doesn't in any way make them bad players, but it results in some more cautious playing styles. The two of us both knows that most French, Austrian, OE or Spanish players would never had allowed me to take/keep all their Italian/Greek cores - but as things turned out, I could - so why shouldn't I?
This is true. In real life France fought Venice, but in MP I wanted a good allie in that front, as I really feared being gangbanged by England, Spain, Portugal and Austria if I went to uncontrolled in Italy, as I saw happen with more experienced mps
So, I took what I wanted in Italy: Napolis, in wich I had claims. And let Spain and Austria had some share of Italy. I would have liked to mantain a independent Genoa and Siena, hehe, but it was very good moves of Hive, and as the Venetians are good allies of France, it was not bad also.
I expected to go to war against Spain and England (and even Portugal... was preparing to plant a colony in Northeast of Brazil as the French did historically), but as they have allowed France to have all that I want in America, to good for both of us!!
And Sweden can take the north of Brazil, its unclaimed by now, as Arco said (I was even thinking in going there, hehe). I thought in given some part of New France to Sweden in the hopes that he allied with us, but one more in the ubber alliance, no way right now, hehe!!
EDIT: And corporal Camisa saluts corporal Melchior!
EDIT: And the might French fleet has TWO duzens ships, not only a dozen.
>Its like if u choose France u know u'll be powerfull if u dont mess >up to bad (no offense Camisa), our countries take a little more >planning.
Hehe, no problem! Actually, i choose France because its my first long game in mp and with the French I could screw them many times and still be having a fun game. Its only to drink the magic manpower potion of Panoramix and back in the scene
Jezz... I cant even understand the economic aspect of the game
Only before last session discovered that by new patchs each trade agremment lowered trade eficiency by 1%... merd... I had treaty with Huron!!!
And Hive said:
>I have grown big, bigger than I thought possible at this stage of the game. This has been achieved through diplomacy and through the fact that my neighbours has been kind with me. This is probably due to the fact, that some of them are newbies. That doesn't in any way make them bad players, but it results in some more cautious playing styles. The two of us both knows that most French, Austrian, OE or Spanish players would never had allowed me to take/keep all their Italian/Greek cores - but as things turned out, I could - so why shouldn't I?
This is true. In real life France fought Venice, but in MP I wanted a good allie in that front, as I really feared being gangbanged by England, Spain, Portugal and Austria if I went to uncontrolled in Italy, as I saw happen with more experienced mps
So, I took what I wanted in Italy: Napolis, in wich I had claims. And let Spain and Austria had some share of Italy. I would have liked to mantain a independent Genoa and Siena, hehe, but it was very good moves of Hive, and as the Venetians are good allies of France, it was not bad also.
I expected to go to war against Spain and England (and even Portugal... was preparing to plant a colony in Northeast of Brazil as the French did historically), but as they have allowed France to have all that I want in America, to good for both of us!!
And Sweden can take the north of Brazil, its unclaimed by now, as Arco said (I was even thinking in going there, hehe). I thought in given some part of New France to Sweden in the hopes that he allied with us, but one more in the ubber alliance, no way right now, hehe!!
EDIT: And corporal Camisa saluts corporal Melchior!
EDIT: And the might French fleet has TWO duzens ships, not only a dozen.
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The Venetian senate was unaware of the French plans to include the insane king of Sweden in our alliance, and we sure would not have accepted that! The majority of the senate actually wants to see Swedish blood being spilled because of the great offense spoken by the king when he called our belowed Doge names! But the peaceloving (haven't you noticed?
) Doge calmed then down and assured them, that it was surely just the funny tobaco shipped to Sweden from the English colonies in America that was talking...
Announcement from the Swedish Crown
In the name of the Ruler of Scandinavia, Bringer of Light, his Royal Majesty King Gustav I of Sweden we hereby claim the north of Brazil from Marajo to Tiracambu/Maranhao.
This was decided after support from the honorable Kingdom of Portugal who had the original rights to these lands. If no other nation objects we will consider our recent colonization matters as solved.
A few cartloads with the Kings own grown has been sent to the courts of Portugal and France as a sign of gratitude.. enjoy! A delivery was also made to the mad Doge of Venice to ensure his calmness in the coming years
In the name of the Ruler of Scandinavia, Bringer of Light, his Royal Majesty King Gustav I of Sweden we hereby claim the north of Brazil from Marajo to Tiracambu/Maranhao.
This was decided after support from the honorable Kingdom of Portugal who had the original rights to these lands. If no other nation objects we will consider our recent colonization matters as solved.
A few cartloads with the Kings own grown has been sent to the courts of Portugal and France as a sign of gratitude.. enjoy! A delivery was also made to the mad Doge of Venice to ensure his calmness in the coming years
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A Small Kingdom seeking allies
Since it is currently the opinion in diplomatic circles that the dog-pile alliance should be smaller, Portugal declares the following:
The king Sebastiao I asks -again- if anyone should want to ally with our little realm. We can bring to an alliance money and a decent sized (and with good tech) navy.
Since it is currently the opinion in diplomatic circles that the dog-pile alliance should be smaller, Portugal declares the following:
The king Sebastiao I asks -again- if anyone should want to ally with our little realm. We can bring to an alliance money and a decent sized (and with good tech) navy.
The world in 1573
If someone has other maps that wants to post, send them that I will post.
If someone has other maps that wants to post, send them that I will post.
You have made it, hooray !
Personally I like the one showing the middle east the most, although this little red spot called Kingdom of Judea looks a little displaced
Personally I like the one showing the middle east the most, although this little red spot called Kingdom of Judea looks a little displaced
Statement from the Spanish King
After his return from the summer location in the Alhambra.
Spain hereby declares that all deal and actions made by his brother who ruled the empire of the last 15 years are void.
Spain sincerly apologizes to the Sultan of the Ottoman empire for waging war against him as it was never our intention.
Spain invites her close friends and allies in Portugal back into her allience. We feel that our countries should remain friends for eternity.
Spain announces to abandon the Catholic league (for game balance reasons)
Spain welcomes the Swedish efforts to go colonial even though we do not apreciate protestants in the New World we feel that our current allies shall have a piece of the cake as well. So if Portgal doesn't object to their rightful claims in northern Brazil we shall not intervene.
Spain wishes to strenghten her ties to the Austrian part of the Habsburg family and invites Austria to join her allience as well.
Spain greets the empires of England, France and Venice and wishes to remain good relations with them.
PS: Let's keep this thread clean guys, cut down on the OT/OOC talk.
After his return from the summer location in the Alhambra.
Spain hereby declares that all deal and actions made by his brother who ruled the empire of the last 15 years are void.
Spain sincerly apologizes to the Sultan of the Ottoman empire for waging war against him as it was never our intention.
Spain invites her close friends and allies in Portugal back into her allience. We feel that our countries should remain friends for eternity.
Spain announces to abandon the Catholic league (for game balance reasons)
Spain welcomes the Swedish efforts to go colonial even though we do not apreciate protestants in the New World we feel that our current allies shall have a piece of the cake as well. So if Portgal doesn't object to their rightful claims in northern Brazil we shall not intervene.
Spain wishes to strenghten her ties to the Austrian part of the Habsburg family and invites Austria to join her allience as well.
Spain greets the empires of England, France and Venice and wishes to remain good relations with them.
PS: Let's keep this thread clean guys, cut down on the OT/OOC talk.
Ottoman Empire 1573-1574 (!)
Well, the last one year we managed to move troops from A to B.
Another army will eventually reach C in one of the next sessions.
Well, the last one year we managed to move troops from A to B.
Another army will eventually reach C in one of the next sessions.